Z390 ITX /M-ATX boards, any good ones? 9900K

IT Troll said:
Pricey. I see they picture it in a system alongside an RTX 2080 Ti to establish the tier.
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british made - or least designed . complete overkill to be honest! could have pegged it down a tier or two .

guessing if your streaming at the top end of the pack, sound could be a factor in perfect stream quality or systems used that public have access to - so they will buy it
 
Just fyi, Gigabyte sound card is garbage. Can't make it work properly with windows 10. Everytime i reboot PC i have to restart it again to stop crackling noise from the speakers. Super annoying.....

I might return it and go for MSI. Especially that PCI layout on Gigabyte , if i add sound card i loose airflow to GPU
 
fureya07 said:
Just fyi, Gigabyte sound card is garbage. Can't make it work properly with windows 10. Everytime i reboot PC i have to restart it again to stop crackling noise from the speakers. Super annoying.....

I might return it and go for MSI. Especially that PCI layout on Gigabyte , if i add sound card i loose airflow to GPU
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which gigabyte board ? they have basic audio - seen Windows 10 has been a cause of sound issue with latest version that was touched on the US forums .

not sure if gigabyte rep @GIGA-Man has come across the issue
 
orbitalwalsh said:
which gigabyte board ? they have basic audio - seen Windows 10 has been a cause of sound issue with latest version that was touched on the US forums .

not sure if gigabyte rep @GIGA-Man has come across the issue
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gigabyte z390 m gaming

This is really weird one.

start my PC normally - crackling during the music
If i restart pc (restart not shutdown/power on) it works like charm without issues.
If u put it in the sleep and wake up => crackling.

So seems like it works properly only after restart from the windows
 
orbitalwalsh said:
what windows build you on ?

Realtek Audio Driver
(Note) Win10 ver.1809 supported.

latest driver installed for latest windows build ^^^^^

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z390-M-GAMING-rev-10#support-dl-driver

came out end of December
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Tried both. First i started with original one mentioned by you. Couldn't fix it so i did fresh install and went with the one pulled by windows. Same bahavior.

If i plug speakers into external usb sound card everything works fine.
 
fureya07 said:
gigabyte z390 m gaming

This is really weird one.

start my PC normally - crackling during the music
If i restart pc (restart not shutdown/power on) it works like charm without issues.
If u put it in the sleep and wake up => crackling.

So seems like it works properly only after restart from the windows
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Just thinking about getting that board as having weird stability problems with my Z370N Wifi ITX. (I think issue is motherboard related this).

Anyway I have same problem with my Wireless USB headphones. Start PC normally and sound crackles through headphones yet plays fine through monitor which is via GPU card. Restart PC then its fine.
Doesnt do it always just random.

Z390 uses ALC892, Z370N uses ALC1220

although just flashed my bios with latest which mentions stability and perfomance issue fixes. Although via USB and not touching sound card suggests its not that.
 
@varkanoid , z390 I Aorus , z370N and Z390m are very different boards.

Aorus I uses updated ALC1220 TO z370n

Aorus ATX have DAC USB which run on isolated pathways which i'm guessing would help your USB headset a lot but is much larger then ITX/mATX
 
fureya07 said:
I might return it and go for MSI. Especially that PCI layout on Gigabyte , if i add sound card i loose airflow to GPU
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You would still have a one slot gap between the GPU and a sound card. That is as good as it gets with mATX; they only have four slots after all.

The symptoms you described are pretty weird. Have you tried booting to another O/S; e.g. Linux live media? This might help determine if it is a software or hardware issue.
 
orbitalwalsh said:
@varkanoid , z390 I Aorus , z370N and Z390m are very different boards.

Aorus I uses updated ALC1220 TO z370n

Aorus ATX have DAC USB which run on isolated pathways which i'm guessing would help your USB headset a lot but is much larger then ITX/mATX
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Thanks but I Wasnt talking about Aorus or comparing motherboards just the same sounding issue, which may point to something else other than motherboard/onboard sound. Thats all.
I need ITX or mATX due to my case. Think I might buy the Z390 M.
 
I don't understand VRMS nor do I have the energy to learn this so I rely on you good folk for my info. Are we saying for iTX that this board is the best in terms of OC'ing?
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...1151-ddr4-mini-itx-motherboard-mb-57f-gi.html

I may not even overclock but I like to have the option to do so. Has to be itx. Its a shame about the price as I feel I'm paying extra for gaudy rgb I wont use.
 
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Noxia said:
I don't understand VRMS nor do I have the energy to learn this so I rely on you good folk for my info. Are we saying for iTX that this board is the best in terms of OC'ing?
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...1151-ddr4-mini-itx-motherboard-mb-57f-gi.html

I may not even overclock but I like to have the option to do so. Has to be itx. Its a shame about the price as I feel I'm paying extra for gaudy rgb I wont use.
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https://www.overclock.net/forum/27657582-post2156.html#/topics/1638955?page=216&gid=1&pid=1

asrock itx is the better one in terms of VRMs
 
tamzzy said:
https://www.overclock.net/forum/27657582-post2156.html#/topics/1638955?page=216&gid=1&pid=1

asrock itx is the better one in terms of VRMs
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5x 60a = 300amps asrock ( extra 60amps would help with 9900k at 5ghz)
6x 40a = 240amps aorus (perfect for 9700k at 5.2ghz if your lucky)

heatsink should help the ASrock but and seems Memory channel isn't as good .

m.2 will get a bit toasty with it linked to the vrm heatsink =/

https://www.tweaktown.com/articles/...gaming-itx-ac-motherboard-preview/index3.html

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8...-gaming-itx-ac-motherboard-review/index6.html

aorus can run 4400hz but with 9900k at 5ghz you'll need a top down cooler

https://translate.google.com/transl...d-gigabyte-z390i-aorus-pro-wi-fi/&prev=search

getting an ITX and 9900ks, get a top down cooler like bequiets 220w unit!!!
 
Don't go for Gigabyte guys...it's not worth a penny. Go for MSI instead.

I tried Gigabyte for a few weeks:
- after 20 mintues render on 8 cores VRM was hitting 85'C and MB would shut down
- issues with sound card (crackling noise)
- pc not waking up from sleep
- fans behaving as they want
- network disconnects
- issues with backplate ground

I decided to get rid of it and got MSI instead. 0 issues. VRM after 20 mintue render 70'C
 
fureya07 said:
Don't go for Gigabyte guys...it's not worth a penny. Go for MSI instead.

I tried Gigabyte for a few weeks:
- after 20 mintues render on 8 cores VRM was hitting 85'C and MB would shut down
- issues with sound card (crackling noise)
- pc not waking up from sleep
- fans behaving as they want
- network disconnects
- issues with backplate ground

I decided to get rid of it and got MSI instead. 0 issues. VRM after 20 mintue render 70'C
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Umm you had other issues (psu maybe?..)
The Z390 M Gaming throttles the vrms at 123°c there are no shutdowns just vrm throttles..
I added heatsinks onto my vrm's which lowered max temps by 10°c (i9-9900KS)
and also limited my my cpu to 220w (204w vrout ish)
results in max vrm temps of around 101°c (which would have been around 111°c without the extra heatsinks)

Any matx z390 board needs active cooling on the vrm's with a 9900k or 9900ks btw
as you should be able to see i have lots of airflow around the vrm's and the vrm's are still borderline under a prime95 avx small fft load

CPU Internal AC/DC Load Line = Turbo (intel spec 1.6 mOhms)
CPU Vcore Load Line Calibration = Normal (intel spec 1.6 mOhms)
Cpu Vcore = Normal
Dynamic Vcore (DVID) = -0.050V

I have seen my Corsair H1200i reporting 900w of load under a
GPU/CPU stresstest (Playing fortnite whilst prime 95 small fft avx)
So yeah if your PSU is under 1000w its not enough..

VRM Heatsinks
https://i.postimg.cc/pXGJG6Ss/VRM-Cooling-1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/ysPQ3fLg/VRM-Cooling-2.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/1y3WGpdW/VRM-Cooling-3.jpg

Complete Images of my setup
https://postimg.cc/gallery/1hx2n7jvo/
Current Bios settings
https://postimg.cc/gallery/14ecp71us/
 
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fureya07 said:
Don't go for Gigabyte guys...it's not worth a penny. Go for MSI instead.

I tried Gigabyte for a few weeks:
- after 20 mintues render on 8 cores VRM was hitting 85'C and MB would shut down
- issues with sound card (crackling noise)
- pc not waking up from sleep
- fans behaving as they want
- network disconnects
- issues with backplate ground

I decided to get rid of it and got MSI instead. 0 issues. VRM after 20 mintue render 70'C
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they have the same Phase set up . 6 x 40amps .

MSI is http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/csd87350q5d.pdf with a PWM controller you can't find info on .

Aorus VRM thermal sensor is located close to Mosfet then ASUS and MSI so you'll always get hotter readings.

MSI Mosfet is rated to 102c before it'll throttle

AORUS Mosfet is rated to 150c ! https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/ir3553.pdf?fileId=5546d462533600a4015355cd94ee1767

IR has better Efficiency then TI , and why MSI uses that on AM4 boards . They wont be using it on z4** boards , specially not being Intel DrMos complaint. Will be rocking IR 70Amp beasts !

full VRM list for all z390 boards

https://www.overclock.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=250662&d=1548963030
 
orbitalwalsh said:
they have the same Phase set up . 6 x 40amps .

MSI is http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/csd87350q5d.pdf with a PWM controller you can't find info on .

Aorus VRM thermal sensor is located close to Mosfet then ASUS and MSI so you'll always get hotter readings.

MSI Mosfet is rated to 102c before it'll throttle

AORUS Mosfet is rated to 150c ! https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/ir3553.pdf?fileId=5546d462533600a4015355cd94ee1767

IR has better Efficiency then TI , and why MSI uses that on AM4 boards . They wont be using it on z4** boards , specially not being Intel DrMos complaint. Will be rocking IR 70Amp beasts !

full VRM list for all z390 boards

https://www.overclock.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=250662&d=1548963030
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The Z390 M Gaming, Z390 Gaming X, Z390 Gaming SLI, Z390 UD all have this VRM setup

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