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Did they mention anything about 20+ cores?
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And Intel HEDT is delayed again as usual from Intel (delay is the trademark of Intel nowdays) so they haven't defeated Zen 2 yet, it is similar in server market, and by time Intel defeats Zen2 AMD will have Zen 5 + 3 versions of it (original, 3dcache and c). Zen 4 will have upto 128 cores, can't wait to see if Zen 5 will offer more than that.
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, you need to look at it from the other side, you are investing in the future, the "near" future .
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I'm kinda of happy and sad this happened and that 2019 Zen 2 still gives you the best multithreaded performance on any platform except for...Threadripper Pro. Happy because there is no real temptation to spend more money, on unessential upgrades, but sad because development has stalled. Later this year multicore performance of 3960X should finally be close from a mainstream platform from Intel and AMD but it won't be across all types of apps. When Intel finally un-screw themselves I reckon HEDT will be reborn. AMD say they will some kind of Zen 4 Threadripper next year which is great.
When Zen 5 arrives I imagine AMD will finally move beyond 16 cores on a mainstream platform. If Intel keeps adding little cores AMD will have to keep up. How many we get depends on how much both want to maintain a HEDT/Workstation market and keep tiers separated.
I'm not sad about Intel, they have too much money and resources to be sad about them, it is their own fault. They were lazy, sloppy, they underestimated AMD. AMD isn't small company anymore, they also have resources, and Xilinx + Pensando will open whole new market for them + strengthen existing which means new billions, and with that money they will continue to grow and pushing Intel to be better (no more skylake sleeping era). Some people here can't accept that, but they will have to, AMD won't repeat bulldozer era. With Zen 5 they will offer even more cores in server, in desktop too so i'm happy to read all that positive news, i hope we will have better war in gpu segment too.
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Oh I'm not sad about Intel either, they have enough more than enough resources to get themselves out of trouble, I just find it amusing their arrogance and complacency was their undoing. Despite what people say about AMD, they're not being complacent, they are making as much bank as possible, aka maximising shareholder value, whilst executing a solid long term vision. Interesting how they will use Xilinx accelerators in Zen 5, will the AI accelerators have a use on consumer platforms?
AMD? The IO die will be the BIG core and the usual chiplets will be the little cores? Or have I misunderstood your query?
Soldato
AMD have said a few times in the recent past they're not doing hybrid architectures. When you already have tiny, power-efficient cores that can outright turn themselves off when not in use, and clock up and down a massive speed range to handle varying tasks, what benefit does a big.little concept bring to Zen?
AMD already have "performance" and "efficiency" cores. They're called Zen cores.
Soldato
But they are way behind GC cores both in performance and efficiency. At least zen 3 is, no idea about zen 4
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I don't know if AMD will do a Big + Little design, we have yet to know exactly what Zen 4C and Zen 5C are.
The power efficiency argument Intel make has been completely debunked, AMD's older Zen 3 core design is much more power efficient, but that's just Intel politicking because they don't want to admit the Big + Little design is the only way Intel can scale performance, in that sense its not a bad idea.
Lets be honest here, no one would be upset if AMD glued a Ryzen 3700X on to the 7950X, again, its not a bad idea.
indeed
Soldato
Zen 4C are Zen 4 cores with a reduced instruction set dedicated to cloud computing. Pretty sure AMD covered this recently. I would assume then that Zen 5C is the same.
But again, why? Where's the gain? If there's space in a Raphael package for some kind of 16+8 core arrangement, then just go 24 cores. As you say yourself, Intel's hybrid approach is for no other reason they can't get their "big" cores small, cool and frugal enough to scale them. AMD have no such issues.
Soldato
Prove it. I've asked you 15 times, but you haven't done it yet (I wonder why
) . Post a CBR23 with your 8 zen 3 cores, ill post a CBR23 with my 8 GC cores. I mean we both know what's gonna happen, that's why you don't post your result...so yeah
Soldato
Because Intel get's more MT performance per die size with the E cores. I don't understand why people don't get this. They don't do it for efficiency, cause E cores are less efficient. They do it cause for the size of a P core, they can put 4 e cores, which perform better. AMD doesn't have a reason to do it, at least not for zen 3, since their cores are relatively small. Golden cove cores are freaking HUGE, that's why they are so far ahead in performance per core, but huge cores means huge die, so if they decide to put 16 GC cores they are going to end up with 1000+ euros CPUs. Which is kinda ridiculous for the mainstream market.
Soldato
And yet I still have a morbid curiosity as to what a 48 Gracemont core CPU can do. Let's be honest, Intel's "e" cores can't be entirely rubbish if 8 of them can get a 12900K's MT performance above a 5950X. So if a 4 core Gracemont cluster is the same physical size as a single Golden Cove core, Intel can fit 48 of them suckers into a LGA 1800 package.
Do it, Intel, you cowards. Give me a 48c/48t Gracemont-only CPU.
Soldato
Ι dont think youll see full ecores on a desktop cpu though.
Soldato
Yeah, youll never see the actual zen 3 superiority in action. Just claims, but no one even dares benching 8 zen 3 cores to 8 gc cores. Makes you wonder, doesnt it?
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Because its small enough just to stick them on the IO die. the cost is just much lower than glueing another 8 core CCD on.