ZEN SR7 Rumoured January 17th Release

Hamfist · 21 Nov 2016 at 15:06

Then there's the console market. Sony and Microsoft would want to release prior to the Christmas hols

jigger · 21 Nov 2016 at 16:38

Caracus2k said:
Have a browse over his posting history.....

That and she/he's apparently convinced themselves that an 860K is a 'quad' core CPU comparable to a contemporary Intel desktop quad and that even more tellingly predicts boldly that AMD are going to deliver a Haswell-E level IPC unlocked quad core for circa £100 based on the 860K being a 'quad core' CPU that retails for around £60-70 so surely a Zen quad wont cost much more no?

Nope still disagree with Toms. Intel have been very consistent for a while with their top end consumer CPU's being being priced around $300-$350 and their 'Enthusiast CPU's retailing for (sometimes a lot) more. To say $200 is 'high end' is laughable by this distribution of pricing. As I have already shown when AMD could compete at the high end their pricing was not too dissimilar with the FX51 costing very close to £1000 in 2016 £££'s

What a load of rubbish. You're just angry about something.

jigger · 21 Nov 2016 at 16:46

bru said:
I really hope they don't call them the SR3/5/7 and that in true fashion they are just the code names. I feel that Z3/5/7 would be much better.

I don't really care what they call them. A worthwhile upgrade from an Intel quad is priority number one and then cost of the CPU and motherboard. The naming scheme is a long way down the list of importance.

bru · 21 Nov 2016 at 17:06

I do hope these are not considered the equivalent of the X99 and priced accordingly, seeing as they have no IGPU.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 21 Nov 2016 at 17:11

bru said:
I do hope these are not considered the equivalent of the X99 and priced accordingly, seeing as they have no IGPU.

On the flipside at least they will be only using dual channel motherboards and have a decent stock cooler!!

gpuerrilla · 21 Nov 2016 at 19:43

As long as there is no ridicule for purchasing an AMD system (based on Zen), dropping the stigma attached to them just from branding needs to be their main goal. I would not mind dipping into my shallow pockets again if there is adequate performance and a sensible price point - then I am in.

If this backfires (after launch) however I can only see the GPU division being able to compete on brand name basis. Tense time ahead

Yutang13 · 21 Nov 2016 at 21:53

Th0nt said:
As long as there is no ridicule for purchasing an AMD system (based on Zen), dropping the stigma attached to them just from branding needs to be their main goal. I would not mind dipping into my shallow pockets again if there is adequate performance and a sensible price point - then I am in.

If this backfires (after launch) however I can only see the GPU division being able to compete on brand name basis. Tense time ahead

Definitely, would be extremely bad times for everyone (except Intel) if Zen flops. This is their trump card, I dread to think what would happen if they're not successful, not that we've had an real hint of it not meeting (realistic) expectations.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 21 Nov 2016 at 23:29

Possible name for Zen based CPUs:

https://trademarks.justia.com/871/15/amd-87115584.html

??

Edit!!

More performance tidbits:

https://translate.google.co.uk/tran...enCompute-mit-ROCm-aber-kein-Zen-3491050.html

KillBoY_UK · 22 Nov 2016 at 11:17

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Possible name for Zen based CPUs:

https://trademarks.justia.com/871/15/amd-87115584.html

??

Edit!!

More performance tidbits:

https://translate.google.co.uk/tran...enCompute-mit-ROCm-aber-kein-Zen-3491050.html

Ryzen ? really AMD. You should have done a microsoft and stuck with the code name lol

jigger · 22 Nov 2016 at 15:13

Th0nt said:
As long as there is no ridicule for purchasing an AMD system (based on Zen), dropping the stigma attached to them just from branding needs to be their main goal. I would not mind dipping into my shallow pockets again if there is adequate performance and a sensible price point - then I am in.

If this backfires (after launch) however I can only see the GPU division being able to compete on brand name basis. Tense time ahead

I think the Anti AMD crowd will resort to slander

That said, if you're at the point you feel stigmatised for considering a PC component purchase I think the opinion a few bozos that have no clue about hardware should be the least of your worries.

gpuerrilla · 22 Nov 2016 at 19:06

Well most of us should buy on price per performance any road. I feel that for those reasons mentioned above most people ask their mates and get swayed to the status quo.

~>Dg<~ · 22 Nov 2016 at 19:28

jigger said:
I think the Anti AMD crowd will resort to slander That said, if you're at the point you feel stigmatised for considering a PC component purchase I think the opinion a few bozos that have no clue about hardware should be the least of your worries.

its not that people are anti amd its the very opposite many like them better as a company its the actual product.

if the new cpu is better than a intel product id buy it simple. the thing is for night on 15 years its not been the case.

Bonjour · 22 Nov 2016 at 19:39

FX-51 was 2003, I believe. 3500+ was 2004.

Edit: FX-60 was 2006, making it 10 years ago.

jigger · 22 Nov 2016 at 22:35

~>Dg<~ said:
its not that people are anti amd its the very opposite many like them better as a company its the actual product.

if the new cpu is better than a intel product id buy it simple. the thing is for night on 15 years its not been the case.

That depends on how much you wanted to spend. Back when the Athlon 64 ruled the high end, Intel chips like the Pentium 805 still made a lot of sense. Same went for chips like the AM2 5000+ and Opteron 165's after the core 2 was out.

Dave2150 · 22 Nov 2016 at 23:07

AllBodies said:
I'd be more than happy to pay £350 for the 8-core if it has haswell-broadwell IPC and can get to at least 4 GHz.

Kabylake quads clocked to 5Ghz on air will be a much better gaming CPU.

Though obviously if you do content creation and use professional software that can utilise 8 cores, then Zen will be the better buy. Sadly, for most of us, higher clocked/higher IPC quads will simply be the best option.

AllBodies · 23 Nov 2016 at 01:19

Dave2150 said:
Kabylake quads clocked to 5Ghz on air will be a much better gaming CPU.

Though obviously if you do content creation and use professional software that can utilise 8 cores, then Zen will be the better buy. Sadly, for most of us, higher clocked/higher IPC quads will simply be the best option.

Yeah we'll have to see how it plays out with IPC, clockspeeds, and price.

Kaby Lake might still be the better buy, since Z270 will also support 6 core Coffee Lake.

But if Zen is Broadwell IPC, can hit 4.4 GHz and is £350-400 for the 8 core version, it'll be a tough sell to buy a 4 core 5 GHz capable chip with ~5% better IPC for only a little less money.

Dave2150 · 23 Nov 2016 at 01:31

AllBodies said:
Yeah we'll have to see how it plays out with IPC, clockspeeds, and price.

Kaby Lake might still be the better buy, since Z270 will also support 6 core Coffee Lake.

But if Zen is Broadwell IPC, can hit 4.4 GHz and is £350-400 for the 8 core version, it'll be a tough sell to buy a 4 core 5 GHz capable chip with ~5% better IPC for only a little less money.

If it hits 4.4Ghz it will be a great seller for sure, with Broadwell IPC

h4rm0ny · 23 Nov 2016 at 08:18

Th0nt said:
As long as there is no ridicule for purchasing an AMD system (based on Zen), dropping the stigma attached to them just from branding needs to be their main goal. I would not mind dipping into my shallow pockets again if there is adequate performance and a sensible price point - then I am in.

If this backfires (after launch) however I can only see the GPU division being able to compete on brand name basis. Tense time ahead

It's a shame that there is some notion of stigma attached to buying a computer chip. I can try and imagine wanting to show off you have a high-end chip if you're pleased with it, but I can't get my head around being ashamed of having a regular medium or low-end chip. That aside from the fact that if you're gaming then you very rapidly hit diminishing returns in CPU price for the most popular games.

EDIT: Not saying you Th0nt are wrong that for some people there is a stigma, tbc. I'm just lamenting the idea that someone would say to themselves "All the cool kids have i7-6990s. I want to be like them."

h4rm0ny · 23 Nov 2016 at 08:23

KillBoY_UK said:
Ryzen ? really AMD. You should have done a microsoft and stuck with the code name lol

It makes me immediately think of Ryzomes. Ryzen also sounds Chinese to me.

DragonQ · 23 Nov 2016 at 09:58

AllBodies said:
Yeah we'll have to see how it plays out with IPC, clockspeeds, and price.

Kaby Lake might still be the better buy, since Z270 will also support 6 core Coffee Lake.

But if Zen is Broadwell IPC, can hit 4.4 GHz and is £350-400 for the 8 core version, it'll be a tough sell to buy a 4 core 5 GHz capable chip with ~5% better IPC for only a little less money.

4.4 GHz for an 8 core CPU without starting a fire would be impressive. I wouldn't get your hopes up.

I imagine a hex core variant would be more ideal for gamers - we already know that hex core Broadwell-E chips tend to hit ~4.5 GHz. If AMD had a similar offering for a decent price they would be a nice middle ground between higher clocked quad cores and lower clocked octo cores.