Apple vs Samsung, court orders Samsung to show Apple 5 new phones

NasherUK · 11 Aug 2011 at 12:54

It's clear that apple has run out of ideas and are trying to strangle the competition is the only way it can claw it's way back (notice how they now release basicaly the same thing every 6 months..). It just can't justify it's prices when samsung are making better and less locked-down products for less.

They should never have been allowed to buy all those vague and generic patents. The EU should change the law to include this in fair trade laws tbh.

Robbo · 11 Aug 2011 at 12:56

I really don't think Apple have "run out of ideas", they have a history of refining current ideas and making them user friendly and more appealing to people. I'm sure their designers aren't a load of clueless townsfolk

cu3ed · 11 Aug 2011 at 13:26

But they wont be able to lift or steal any one elses ideas if they stop them making them to the shelf.

kona786 · 11 Aug 2011 at 14:59

http://www.reghardware.com/2011/08/10/samsung_shocked_by_apple_injuction/

The Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 has already gone on sale in Britain and there are no signs of a U-turn. Dixons Retail - who started selling Wi-Fi only versions of the device last week - says it has had "no legal instruction to remove the Samsung Galaxy from sale".

AndyCr15 · 11 Aug 2011 at 15:58

reefoid said:
I'm not Apple's biggest fan, but in fairness they aren't the only company heavy handed with their patents. These days everyone seems to be defending their patents against everyone else.

1) Defending and using to attack are two different things.

2) What was the last high profile device to have an injunction after it was released?

Bennie-Mac · 11 Aug 2011 at 16:02

AndyCr15 said:
2) What was the last high profile device to have an injunction after it was released?

The PS3. LG got one claiming that the PS3's Blu Ray technology infringed their patents. That was in March.

AndyCr15 · 11 Aug 2011 at 16:06

From what I can see, it was never removed from shelves and the injunction, which only got as far as holding stock at customs, itself was removed within a week.

Let me be more specific, since we're talking about phones and tablets... have any of them had injunctions?

Amp34 · 11 Aug 2011 at 22:24

Hopefully it gets thrown out of court and the patent gets wiped. If that is the case then Apple will have to pay damages for lost sales to Samsung.

So this is what they are trying to suggest is "theirs"

And how about other manufacturers that have used that exact shape before...?

Now aside from this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...tablet-looks-just-like-iPad-17-YEARS-OLD.html

Real devices I can think of that look like that before Apple displayed their tablet would include the Hanvon touchpad, displayed a few months before Apple even said they were releasing a tablet...

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/hanvons-multitouch-tablet-previewed-surfaces-in-china-march-25/

Any other (legitimate) suggestions for tablets that "look like" iPads that were released beforehand?

EDIT: And then of course we have the MSI tablet http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/msi-shows-off-10-inch-android-tablet-running-new-tegra-chipset/

And the Lenovo Lepad http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/05/lenovo-ideapad-u1-hybrid-hands-on-and-impressions/

And one by IDC http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/icds-tegra-tablet-officially-dubbed-the-vega-headed-to-t-mobil/

And another http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/aluratek-tempts-with-8-9-inch-720p-cinepal-pmp/

And another... http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/paradigm-shift-joins-the-tablet-crowd-with-android-based-emt-10a/

Then obviously we have the HP slate http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/the-hp-slate/

Anyone getting the picture here...?

Yep, all displayed (most as working devices and some with Android) in January 2010, several weeks before the Apple launch of their iPad "first"...

EDIT 2: Looking at those pictures together it just shows how unoriginal everyone has been in the design of their tablets... All produced and shown for the first time yet they all come up with the same design...

Bennie-Mac · 12 Aug 2011 at 00:28

From 1994, Knight Ridder reveals the "iPad" of its time. Look familiar?

willhub · 12 Aug 2011 at 15:04

banned in all EU apart from Netherlands.....

PiKe · 12 Aug 2011 at 15:09

Hello Apple? Yeah, Hi, it's 1994 here, we want our design back.

Cosimo · 12 Aug 2011 at 15:44

The Samsung fightback starts on the 25th:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/12/us-samsung-apple-idUSTRE77B14A20110812

englishpremier · 12 Aug 2011 at 16:37

PiKe said:
Hello Apple? Yeah, Hi, it's 1994 here, we want our design back.

Have you seen the Sienfeld episode with the shrimp joke?

Anyway, that's poor since 1994 can't make a call.

Back on subject. This will be overturned easily, and really needs to be heard in one of the proper european courts, not a single country court.

Robbo · 12 Aug 2011 at 16:39

Indeed, there is no way any of this is going to stand. As I've said before Apple are just being aggressive and taking advantage of legal loopholes. Those holes will get plugged before long.

PiKe · 12 Aug 2011 at 16:44

englishpremier said:
Have you seen the Sienfeld episode with the shrimp joke?

Anyway, that's poor since 1994 can't make a call.

Back on subject. This will be overturned easily, and really needs to be heard in one of the proper european courts, not a single country court.

I don't watch Seinfeld.

JeditOjanen · 14 Aug 2011 at 16:20

PiKe said:
Hello Apple? Yeah, Hi, it's 1994 here, we want our design back.

You don't understand what is going on. Apple take an existing design concept for a product, then they do the following:

1) make it very dear,
2) stick an "i" on the front and
3) claim it's original.

Samsung have sneakily been reverse engineering their work, creating the Original I Dear.

Robbo · 14 Aug 2011 at 16:25

You missed out 4) Make it far better and infinitely more appealing to the general public.

AndyCr15 · 14 Aug 2011 at 17:08

Robbo said:
You missed out 4) Make it far better and infinitely more appealing to the general public.

Wow. That's definitely a matter of opinion. I would lean more towards 'make it far simpler but less useful and market it very well'

Robbo · 14 Aug 2011 at 17:14

AndyCr15 said:
Wow. That's definitely a matter of opinion. I would lean more towards 'make it far simpler but less useful and market it very well'

I'm sure it is, but the fact of the matter is that it works.

dasyad · 14 Aug 2011 at 17:21

I like all gadgets.

I don't think there is anyway someone could say with a straight face that the iPhone is any less useful at being a phone than say a Nokia, BlackBerry or any other Android phone. Arguably the only thing it is less useful at is the fringe features such as HDMI out and DLNA etc.

I think people need to stop bashing things as x vs y when in fact both x and y are very good at what they do. Things being different doesn't necessarily make them bad