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Saving Sessions / Demand reduction thread
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The calculation.
The calculation is in effect two parts. The saving session window and the in day adjustment. Both are added together in order to calculate your session saving "reduction".
Session saving; this takes your average last 10 days usage, per half hour window, and compares them to the session usage per half hour. Any individual half hour period you use less in is added to your savings total. You don't get penalised if you use more in one(or more) half hour session(s).
The in day adjustment. This is the controversial one. This is supposed to indicate if your usage is up or down that day, in order to flex for eg cold weather. But its able to be gamed, should you wish.
The window is from -4 to -1 hours in comparison to the savings session. Eg if savings session is 5:30-7pm then the in day adjustment window is 1:30-4:30
It works the same way, in that it compares your usage to that for the preceding 10 days usage.
However it allows some gaming. Say you use normally 0.5kwh during the day in the in day adjustment window. If you move a load of usage into that window on that specific day then you will end up with a high in day usage adjustment.
Eg say I use my dishwasher and tumble drier and use 5kwh extra in that three hour period compared to normal. Each half hour savings session would be adjusted by 5(kwh) / 6 (3 hours x half hourly) = 0.833kwh being added to my savings, per half hour of the savings session length.
Note, the above 10 days relates to a weekday savings session. Weekends are different but pretty unlikely to happen really. The 10 days also excludes bank holidays and any previous saving sessions days since the usage pattern will be different.
The calculation is in effect two parts. The saving session window and the in day adjustment. Both are added together in order to calculate your session saving "reduction".
Session saving; this takes your average last 10 days usage, per half hour window, and compares them to the session usage per half hour. Any individual half hour period you use less in is added to your savings total. You don't get penalised if you use more in one(or more) half hour session(s).
The in day adjustment. This is the controversial one. This is supposed to indicate if your usage is up or down that day, in order to flex for eg cold weather. But its able to be gamed, should you wish.
The window is from -4 to -1 hours in comparison to the savings session. Eg if savings session is 5:30-7pm then the in day adjustment window is 1:30-4:30
It works the same way, in that it compares your usage to that for the preceding 10 days usage.
However it allows some gaming. Say you use normally 0.5kwh during the day in the in day adjustment window. If you move a load of usage into that window on that specific day then you will end up with a high in day usage adjustment.
Eg say I use my dishwasher and tumble drier and use 5kwh extra in that three hour period compared to normal. Each half hour savings session would be adjusted by 5(kwh) / 6 (3 hours x half hourly) = 0.833kwh being added to my savings, per half hour of the savings session length.
Note, the above 10 days relates to a weekday savings session. Weekends are different but pretty unlikely to happen really. The 10 days also excludes bank holidays and any previous saving sessions days since the usage pattern will be different.
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43k points from one session
What's the story behind that?
Give me a little time to update post 2, the calculation.
I have updated post 2 to show the calculation. I will improve the language later when I have time. And link to the grid examples doc (which is semi gobbledegook)
see post #2
You can still do some stuff to give yourself a chance of some decent rewards.
The most likely window is 5-6pm with 30 mins, then another 30 mins either side in declining chance.
Based on that you can assume the 3 hour window is most likely to sit between 1pm - 4pm
As such if you reduce your normal usage to the minimum in that window (do washing early, dishwasher early/late) etc you stand most chance to get your 10 day usage in that period as low as possible.
In fact you really want to switch those devices to the likely savings session window, so again 4:30-6:30 or so.
Then on a savings session day, you move the high usage devices into the 3 hour window, showing higher daily usage than normal, and by default you now have lower usage in the savings session window.
Both combining to give you a half decent chance of some £s
The most likely window is 5-6pm with 30 mins, then another 30 mins either side in declining chance.
Based on that you can assume the 3 hour window is most likely to sit between 1pm - 4pm
As such if you reduce your normal usage to the minimum in that window (do washing early, dishwasher early/late) etc you stand most chance to get your 10 day usage in that period as low as possible.
In fact you really want to switch those devices to the likely savings session window, so again 4:30-6:30 or so.
Then on a savings session day, you move the high usage devices into the 3 hour window, showing higher daily usage than normal, and by default you now have lower usage in the savings session window.
Both combining to give you a half decent chance of some £s
Wouldn't be surprised to see a session early next week, temps looking to drop across UK and wind supposed to drop at same time.
According to a 7 day forecast I just started following.
Start shifting that usage so you can game the system
Go on flame me
According to a 7 day forecast I just started following.
Start shifting that usage so you can game the system
Go on flame me
Or is it a 40kwh/h heater?
Hope he hasn't got 32amp ring mains then or they are going to be turning to liquid metal with that draw
In fact I am not sure his whole house would sustain a 40kwh/h/h heater!
Yeah -4 to -1 I am putting a big cable reel out front with a sign for free electric
Wouldn't be surprised to see a session early next week, temps looking to drop across UK and wind supposed to drop at same time.
According to a 7 day forecast I just started following.
Start shifting that usage so you can game the system
Go on flame me
As predicted, NSO tweeted yesterday "The ESO has issued a notification that we will warm one of our five winter contingency coal units for potential use on Tuesday 7 February."
Usually this is also when there is a high chance of a Savings session
Ah updated this morning "A further notification has been issued by the ESO this morning to warm a second coal unit to be available tomorrow, if required."
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Dishwasher, tumble drier, charge batteries, washing machine, fan heater instead of GFCH
Am I missing anything?
I could do immersion I guess
Is nicehash still a thing?
Am I missing anything?
I could do immersion I guess
Is nicehash still a thing?
My range went through a cleaning cycle a couple of weeks back
By god did she complain about it for hours
From what I can tell nicehash does exist still, I might actually do it come the the next session, my GPU heating is perfect in my office.
By god did she complain about it for hours
From what I can tell nicehash does exist still, I might actually do it come the the next session, my GPU heating is perfect in my office.
Coal has been stood down, so assume no session tomorrow fellas 
Nope, surely they will come in today
Wont be manual its something like 400,000 people
But it could be there is some kinda of data issue with some people.
They mentioned sticky meters on one of the previous ones, whatever that mean't
But it could be there is some kinda of data issue with some people.
They mentioned sticky meters on one of the previous ones, whatever that mean't
Finally got the 30th's saving session through
8136 points, £10.17, I used about £5 elec doing my stuff in the peak window
8136 points, £10.17, I used about £5 elec doing my stuff in the peak window
lolI'm going to save up for a heat pump
looks broken
Maybe they forgot to put 50p in the meter
This was a really interesting podcast from Octopus that mention this.
Its from Nov actually but worth a listen
open.spotify.com
Its from Nov actually but worth a listen
Episode 12: A new energy era - how households can help balance the grid AND get paid for it
Listen to this episode from Inside Octopus Energy on Spotify. In this episode, our podcast host, Russell Goldsmith, chats with Alex Schoch, who heads up our global flexibility team, and Devrim Celal, the CEO of Octopus’ flexibility technology arm KrakenFlex about how to unlock the untapped...
open.spotify.com