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the card that changed everything
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as its well listed its the voodoo 1 I did buy a Banshee 8mb I think its cost about £110 if not a bit more but that worked well, the fist card I got had 2mb ram and
windos 3.1 with a dx33mhz then a dx66mhz its used to be good fun rebuilding
old pc.
windos 3.1 with a dx33mhz then a dx66mhz its used to be good fun rebuilding
old pc.
You do know the Voodoo and PCX1 chip were released at essentially the same time yea?
If you remember Ultimate Race Pro pre voodoo can I borrow your time machine as I have some lottery tickets to purchase as the game was release well after the afore mentioned hardware.
oh and the game came with support for Glide, PVR and D3D in the box. (guess which one was known for being the premier version..)
If you remember Ultimate Race Pro pre voodoo can I borrow your time machine as I have some lottery tickets to purchase as the game was release well after the afore mentioned hardware.
oh and the game came with support for Glide, PVR and D3D in the box. (guess which one was known for being the premier version..)
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It's been said so many times voodoo 1, 3dfx for the win and yet again open gl quake was awesome. I remember some game called Sin too, I was always a 3dfx guy even have kept all my cards in the attic 
I couldn't have put it better myself......
layte said "oh and the game came with support for Glide, PVR and D3D in the box. (guess which one was known for being the premier version..)"
SGL was the premier version as I recall it had the more advance features and ran faster. I think you might have been right it was early 1998.
layte said " You do know the Voodoo and PCX1 chip were released at essentially the same time yea?"
Yes and I remember there being a whole generation or 2* of 3Dcards and 3Dgames before the V1 and PCX1. Voodoo where not a big step as many people made out. It did add to the market but I dont see it as a card that changed everything. It was a popular card but it didn't change that much. It didnt make games look better over other 3Dcards, it didnt bring lots of new features to the market.
*Some say 2 generations, depends on how you count.
SGL was the premier version as I recall it had the more advance features and ran faster. I think you might have been right it was early 1998.
layte said " You do know the Voodoo and PCX1 chip were released at essentially the same time yea?"
Yes and I remember there being a whole generation or 2* of 3Dcards and 3Dgames before the V1 and PCX1. Voodoo where not a big step as many people made out. It did add to the market but I dont see it as a card that changed everything. It was a popular card but it didn't change that much. It didnt make games look better over other 3Dcards, it didnt bring lots of new features to the market.
*Some say 2 generations, depends on how you count.
Oh yeah there were plenty of 3D games and hardware capable of some form of 3D acceleration - but nothing gave the fluid framerates and brought those capabilities to the mass market like the voodoo 1 did... I played several games on a ATI Rage 3D II+ (2Mb VRAM, Direct3D only) before getting a voodoo 1 and sure it looked nicer than software rendering but it ran at like 9fps... same PC same settings on a voodoo 1 and it ran at almost 100fps* and the filtering quality was far superior to the blurry ATI.
*Obsidian Voodoo 1 with 2 TMU.
*Obsidian Voodoo 1 with 2 TMU.
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Contrary to reviews at the time (especially as 1998 was when the V2 launched). Then again it has been shown that your recall of events at the time seems to be somewhat clouded.
S3 Virge LOLOLOLOLOL! The only 3D chip that actually was slower than running in software. Good 2D but utter fail at 3D. Or perhaps you are talking about the Matrox effort of the time (iirc the Mystique?), once again good 2D but reasonably fast 3D unfortunantly hampered by poor visual quality and a lack of features.
As pretty much everyone else who was around at the time recalls, it was not until the voodoo1 chipset that we got blazing performance and a rich feature set combined with wide support from developers. If you care to recall things differently then that is your prerogative, I'm just stating things as they happened.
Edit: I forgot about the weird Nvidia effort that worked in a similar way to the Sega Saturn and went off on a completely different tangent to every other subsequent 3D card. It worked pretty well for the time though, unfortunately beyond a few Saturn ports it never got any support. Hardly a worthy contender for the card that changed everything.
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That's the bugger. About 5 games and a technological dead end, sucks to be whoever bought one of those.
layte said "Contrary to reviews at the time (especially as 1998 was when the V2 launched). Then again it has been shown that your recall of events at the time seems to be somewhat clouded."
The reason my memory was a little clouded was it was a long time ago. I just realised why I don't recall the timeframe the same as you. Ultim@te Race Pro started out as a tech demo game for PowerVR and was on the CD that arrived with PowerVR cards. It wasn't until later it was turned into a full retail game with 3DFX support. So I remembered playing Ultim@te Racer Pro before the V2 came out and I played it with advance features like the sky reflected of the car’s bodywork, shadows, fog and so on.
Any decent review that's still up should mention that Ultim@te Racer Pro started out as a tech demo for PowerVR. The main point of the game was to show case PowerVR cards against 3DFX and show how PowerVR run faster and looked better. Didn't the more advance features not run on 3DFX?
Ultim@te Race Pro on a PowerVR card was just stunning compared to V1 games. That explains why I don't remember things the same as you. Back then I kept thinking whats all the fuss about the V1 when PowerVR runs games like Ultim@te Race Pro. The majority of games I played where as step back on the Voodoo 1 chipset. GLquake, Haxon and all the other quake engines looked worse with 3DFX. After playing Wipeout, Mechwarrior and MDK amoung others I couldnt find any reason to swap over to 3DFX . POD was better with Glide over SGL but one game wasnt enough for me to like 3DFX more. (1 game out of the games I played back then)
EDIT:layte said "Or perhaps you are talking about the Matrox effort of the time (iirc the Mystique?), once again good 2D but reasonably fast 3D unfortunantly hampered by poor visual quality and a lack of features."
Yes it was poor poor visual quality and a lack of features compared to a V1 or PCX but it was the best we had seen to date. The card came with MechWarrior 2 Mystique edition, Destruction Derby 2, Scorched Planet and some bike game I cannot recall the name of. Guess I could dig out the CD.
http://www.geocities.com/mechwarrior2_3d/Mystique/Myst_03.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/mechwarrior2_3d/Mystique/Myst_12.jpg
The reason my memory was a little clouded was it was a long time ago. I just realised why I don't recall the timeframe the same as you. Ultim@te Race Pro started out as a tech demo game for PowerVR and was on the CD that arrived with PowerVR cards. It wasn't until later it was turned into a full retail game with 3DFX support. So I remembered playing Ultim@te Racer Pro before the V2 came out and I played it with advance features like the sky reflected of the car’s bodywork, shadows, fog and so on.
Any decent review that's still up should mention that Ultim@te Racer Pro started out as a tech demo for PowerVR. The main point of the game was to show case PowerVR cards against 3DFX and show how PowerVR run faster and looked better. Didn't the more advance features not run on 3DFX?
Ultim@te Race Pro on a PowerVR card was just stunning compared to V1 games. That explains why I don't remember things the same as you. Back then I kept thinking whats all the fuss about the V1 when PowerVR runs games like Ultim@te Race Pro. The majority of games I played where as step back on the Voodoo 1 chipset. GLquake, Haxon and all the other quake engines looked worse with 3DFX. After playing Wipeout, Mechwarrior and MDK amoung others I couldnt find any reason to swap over to 3DFX . POD was better with Glide over SGL but one game wasnt enough for me to like 3DFX more. (1 game out of the games I played back then)
EDIT:layte said "Or perhaps you are talking about the Matrox effort of the time (iirc the Mystique?), once again good 2D but reasonably fast 3D unfortunantly hampered by poor visual quality and a lack of features."
Yes it was poor poor visual quality and a lack of features compared to a V1 or PCX but it was the best we had seen to date. The card came with MechWarrior 2 Mystique edition, Destruction Derby 2, Scorched Planet and some bike game I cannot recall the name of. Guess I could dig out the CD.
http://www.geocities.com/mechwarrior2_3d/Mystique/Myst_03.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/mechwarrior2_3d/Mystique/Myst_12.jpg
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Seriously Pottsey you need to stop stop talking nonsense. You sound like a bitter PVR owner, angry and twisted that the card failed when up against superior competition. We have already shown that your recollection of events is at best biased or at worst outright rubbish.
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I am not talking nonsense I have the CD and just doubled checked. Ultim@te Racer Pro was originally a PowerVR only game and came with PowerVR cards long before the retail game or V2 came out. That's why I remember things differently to you. I was playing games like Ultim@te Racer Pro back in the V1 days before the game has Glide support. Same for Quake and Hexon both ran in 24-bit colour and looked much better then 3DFXs version in 16bit colour. How is this nonsense?
layte said "We have already shown that your recollection of events is at best biased or at worst outright rubbish."
No you haven't shown it as rubbish. I just explained why my recollection is different and pointed out how you are wrong in saying the 3DFX was the premier version of that game.
Yes I am biased as I am talking from a point of view of the games I played not every single game. As I said before some games are better with a Voodoo like POD one of my fav racing games but Glide was better then SGL in that one. But the games I played where worse on a Voodoo on the whole.
How can I be angry and twisted about PowerVR failing when they did better than 3DFX and are doing well today compared to 3DFX who died? It sounds like your angry and twisted about 3DFX failing.
layte said "We have already shown that your recollection of events is at best biased or at worst outright rubbish."
No you haven't shown it as rubbish. I just explained why my recollection is different and pointed out how you are wrong in saying the 3DFX was the premier version of that game.
Yes I am biased as I am talking from a point of view of the games I played not every single game. As I said before some games are better with a Voodoo like POD one of my fav racing games but Glide was better then SGL in that one. But the games I played where worse on a Voodoo on the whole.
How can I be angry and twisted about PowerVR failing when they did better than 3DFX and are doing well today compared to 3DFX who died? It sounds like your angry and twisted about 3DFX failing.
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lol you two
Relax, it's only history. Which was better back then is hardly important now.
It's like VHS and Betamax. Betamax was better, but VHS gained the support. Now neither matters as very few people use either
Relax, it's only history. Which was better back then is hardly important now.
It's like VHS and Betamax. Betamax was better, but VHS gained the support. Now neither matters as very few people use either
I really need to learn to ignore them.But I am not posting utter claptrap. I was right about Ultim@te Race and I was right about Quake.
layte said " (protip pottsey: It was not until Summer 97 and the PCX2 that it got anywhere near the performance of the Voodoo1)"
It's not that easy or simple. On low to mid end CPUs the Voodoo 1 tended to be faster. On high end CPUs the PCX1 was faster. Games with high overdraw the PCX1 was faster. With low overdraw the V1 was faster. In short which card was better really depended on the game being played. Not to mention the PCX1 did stuff like WipeOut XL at 800x600 or higher yet other games where better on the V1. It was never an easy choice.
layte said " (protip pottsey: It was not until Summer 97 and the PCX2 that it got anywhere near the performance of the Voodoo1)"
It's not that easy or simple. On low to mid end CPUs the Voodoo 1 tended to be faster. On high end CPUs the PCX1 was faster. Games with high overdraw the PCX1 was faster. With low overdraw the V1 was faster. In short which card was better really depended on the game being played. Not to mention the PCX1 did stuff like WipeOut XL at 800x600 or higher yet other games where better on the V1. It was never an easy choice.
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