Malaysian GP 2009 - Race 2/17

Totally agree with you, he should face the fact that he lied and shoulder the blame.

This article is a good read too http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/columnists/matthew_syed/article6054328.ece
I quite liked that article. :) Perhaps a little extreme but the basis of it I agree with.

Ask yourself this question: had the stewards not unearthed the deception, do you think that Hamilton would have voluntarily confessed his deceit or offered the theatrical contrition witnessed in that claustrophobic room in Malaysia?

Ask yourself this, too: given what we know about Hamilton — that he is one of the most single-minded drivers to have entered the paddock; that he has been known to defy team orders — was it really beyond him to tell Ryan to take a running jump?
 
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an epic f1 thread can be seen here:

Nick Heidfeld's Man-Bag Support Thread

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This is just too funny!! lol

Totally agree with you, he should face the fact that he lied and shoulder the blame.

This article is a good read too http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/columnists/matthew_syed/article6054328.ece

Superb article...really hits the nail on the head. Perhaps its time for LH senior to stop coming to the races to support his baby and start letting LH making the decisions himself; perhaps then this might not have happened.
 
is this still going on.

yes he told a lie and cheated, got punished.

Yup indeed..

Or you could be weak minded, read some journo's "This thing has legs" article which is just 100% the journalists opinion and conjecture, and keep feeding the media hype.. your choice ;)

It's done, dusted, I've got over it, and am looking forward to the next race, where I won't be spending the ensuing weeks calling for someone's demise because they picked their nose in the pits or something

:)
 
I'd love to know what he did to you that seems to have personally insulted you to the degree you post such an irrational tirade on him! because you sound like some angry football yob at the moment ;)
:D

Irrational tirade, it's no different to that times article.
What did he do? Well that times article could have been written by me...

"That Hamilton lied under the instructions of a senior team member offers no mitigation whatsoever and tells us everything we need to know about the strange world Hamilton and his father inhabit that they think it does. Every 10-year-old understands that the demands of morality and honesty are not suddenly made void the moment somebody gives you a nod and a wink, or even a nudge. Hamilton’s defence adds up to nothing more than a tawdry “But he told me to, Sir”."

"Had Hamilton come out at that pitiful press conference in Malaysia and admitted that he had lied, that he had done so willingly, that he had been blinded by ambition and the lust for a second title, we could have understood and, in time, forgiven. He could even have recounted Ryan’s role in the deception and we would have understood the moral dynamics of the choice he made."

"But by choosing the weasel words “I was misled” he compounded his original error and shone a powerful light on his own moral confusion. Does he not recognise that he could have said “no” when Ryan cooked up the plan of deceiving the stewards and swindling Trulli? That he could have cut across his sporting director to say: “But that is not true?” That he could, at any moment in the 96 hours between his two deceptions, have picked up the phone to his father or to Martin Whitmarsh, the McLaren chief operating officer, and said: “My conscience is troubled. I need to come clean about something.”

If the Mclaren doesn't get much better you can bet your backside team hamilton are going to use this as leverage to another team.

"Hamilton’s only credible course of action now is to stay put at McLaren and instruct his father to keep a lid on his frustrations. He should admit that he lied, using that word, and apologise for having shamefully sought to shift the burden of blame on to another man’s shoulders.

That would be the big thing to do. It would be the decent thing to do. It would be the honest thing to do. But one suspects that, for those very reasons, it is never going to happen."

The article is great and I have never 100% agreed with an article in my life. It mentions just about everything I have already said in regards to the incident and hamiltons previous with regards to ignoring the team and lieing.

Yet again shifting the blame as bad advice. What annoys me the most is he was quite happy to shift the blame onto trulli and then quite happy to have a team manager take the fall for something he is atleast equal blame for.
 
Irrational tirade, it's no different to that times article.
What did he do? Well that times article could have been written by me...
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All you've done is found another individual that has the same irrational disbelief in LH. :D

Opinion is opinion of course, we all have our own spin on things, but I just find it slightly odd how some people with no real facts other then the events we all know and agree about are choosing to disbelieve absolutely everything LH has said, and further more come up with a completely alternate set of thoughts/motivations that are as negative as you can get, chained these together and have come to the conclusion that he is the devil incarnate.

Of course listening to the reasoning behind it all, it seems that you've chosen to take every negative media comment combined with every negative aspect of the person, ignoring all else, and come out with quite a vitriolic tirade. This shows a level of 'hate' that seems a bit unncessary.

The thing is, take any of the drivers of note, and apply the same reasoning, and you come to the same conclusion. Why single LH out? that's all I was really saying.

:)
 
Bloody hell dannyjo22 give it a rest. Talk about mountain over a molehill!

I just quoted some of the more interesting bits of the article. I've just never much liked liars and cheats in sport. Especially ones that are portrayed as decent role models.

'For sure' everyone tells the odd white lie but one that cheats another or the sport, I've never been keen on it.

But yes I will give it a rest, I don't have to prove anything. He's already twice been proved to be a liar. Edit no sorry badly advised twice.
 
Well Honda got a 2 race ban for their illegal fuel tank.
So if McLaren do get banned from a couple of races, surely that's it for Lewis' title bid for this year? If he'd won both races so far and won all of them up until the ban he'd still stand a chance but considering where he is, or isn't perhaps I should say, anything more than 2-3 races and that's it.
 
Not only is he a liar, he's a gutless one.

on the other hand you had that scumbag cheating **** Schumacher who cheated so many times by taking out his rivals to win championships yet was still regarded as a saint by so many blinkered people, also had full support of that other **** bernie and his FIA crew ...

Hamilton who was told not to disclose information by his 'employer', he was misled and im sure every other driver would have done the same thing, under pressure from his boss withheld the information.

McLaren ****** up, and as usual the media and press have slaughtered Lewis as if he murdered someone .. its laughable
 
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Cool image if anyone didn't see it yet!

And oh, I can't wait for the next race. ;)
 
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