Malaysian GP 2009 - Race 2/17

sunama said:
So you honestly believe that Alonso would shop his own team and risk his own chances of winning the title (should the McLaren team get banned), bearing in mind that he was 2nd in the championship at the time of the Hungarian incident.

Thats like me reporting my employers for illegal accountancy practises, at which point the company closes down and I lose my job.

Use your head.
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If only Enron had employed a few people like you, we wouldn't have to spend our lives faffing about with Sarbanes-Oxley ;)
 
stockhausen said:
If only Enron had employed a few people like you, we wouldn't have to spend our lives faffing about with Sarbanes-Oxley ;)
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If Enron had employed people like me, there wouldnt have been anything to cover up or whistle-blow on, as everything would've been done by the book. ;)
 
sunama said:
First Ron Denis says that he knew nothing of what his employees were doing with regards to Ferrari data and now Whitmarsh claims to not know what was being said to the Stewards.
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But of course every team would do the same, there's no way anyone would just fess up to that. Its a toughie as Im not sure we can compare the 2 situations, this current issue is rather a storm in a teacup.

sunama said:
If Enron had employed people like me, there wouldnt have been anything to cover up or whistle-blow on, as everything would've been done by the book. ;)
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How boring!:p
 
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Can someone who knows this for a fact settle an arguement for me please.

Do F1 cars have any type of fire extinguisher inside where the driver sits, which go off if there is a spark or any type of fire?
 
sunama said:
Alonso did not instigate any plan to blackmail McLaren or anyone, it was said in a fit of anger. It would be similar to if you and your manager end up having a heated conversation and in the heat of the moment you say, "Ahhh, I feel like quitting!" Until you have clearly stated your intention, in at least a calm way (verbally or in writing), I wouldnt take any threat seriously.

For me, that Hungarian qualifying fiasco was instigated by Hamilton (he disobeyed team orders). This pushed Alonso over the edge.

Too many Alonso haters on this forum.
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Rubbish Alonso got immunity for giving evidence against Mclaren even though he was in on the emails. Alonso carried it through.

As much a cheat liar and scum bag as anyone else at mclaren.
 
knip said:
Can someone who knows this for a fact settle an arguement for me please.

Do F1 cars have any type of fire extinguisher inside where the driver sits, which go off if there is a spark or any type of fire?
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wasnt most of the smoke when the ferrari kers melted from some form of fire extinguisher?
edit acording to google the KERS system triggered the c02 discharge in the cockpit so yes they have a built in extinguisher
 
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dannyjo22 said:
Rubbish Alonso got immunity for giving evidence against Mclaren even though he was in on the emails. Alonso carried it through.

As much a cheat liar and scum bag as anyone else at mclaren.
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He carried it through because the team was reported to the FIA by Ron Denis himself. Once this happened, the FIA summoned all concerned, to give evidence. At this point, Alonso had no choice but to tell the truth. Remember, by this point it was too late for McLaren to hatch a damage limitation plan.

Had Ron Denis not reported his own team, no one would've ever found out.
 
knip said:
Do F1 cars have any type of fire extinguisher inside where the driver sits, which go off if there is a spark or any type of fire?
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Yes. Its an automated system, though I doubt a spark would be enough to trigger it.

Perhaps CSI or one of the other F1 employees could answer this in more detail?
 
James,

I think this is my first substantial comment here. First of all, I’d like to say how much I enjoy reading your blog.

I wanted to follow on from your final couple of paragraphs. You say it could be tricky for the WMSC to prove that anyone other than Dave Ryan was aware of the misleading story that would be given to the stewards. I find Martin Whitmarsh’s interview recorded by the BBC immediately after the Australian Grand Prix (the monitors in the background reveal that it was recorded before the podium ceremony) very interesting. The video of it is here. Only people based in the UK will be able to view it, so for the benefit of those outside Britain I have transcribed the relevant section:

…there’s some debate about whether it’s a 3rd place at the moment given that Trulli fell off and re-passed under the Safety Car…

[Ted Kravitz asks him to expand on this.]

…At the end, under the Safety Car, Trulli fell off onto the grass and Lewis had no choice but to go past him. He was not on the racing circuit. Trulli then re-took the place under the Safety Car, which ordinarily you wouldn’t do.

I know that the FIA are looking at it at the moment and doubtless we’ll have a ruling in due course.

Martin Whitmarsh was not asked if there were any radio conversations. But he chose to omit this information regardless. The BBC’s viewers were left with the impression that Jarno Trulli had passed Lewis Hamilton of his own accord, not having been invited to do so. This version of events is very similar to the one we are led to understand was relayed to the stewards.

This would seem to suggest that very soon after the end of the race, a version of events — the official McLaren party line, as it were — was constructed. This is the version of events that Martin Whitmarsh gave to Ted Kravitz and the BBC’s viewers. It’s the version of events Dave Ryan and Lewis Hamilton gave to the FIA stewards. If my hunch is true, McLaren’s decision to scapegoat Dave Ryan is absolutely reprehensible.

For what it’s worth, I think what McLaren have done here is unacceptable. However, for the sake of the sport I hope that any further action taken by the FIA is not too over-the-top. Perhaps a fine, or the removal of the right to score Constructors’ Championship points for a few races, but nothing more.
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Quoted shamelessly from a comment on James Allen's blog. As much as I did think it was possible, the fact that Whitmarsh omits that same crucial information here in this interview, seems pretty... incriminating?

Looks dubious for McLaren :(
 
As much as I did think it was possible, the fact that Whitmarsh omits that same crucial information here in this interview, seems pretty... incriminating?
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You're assuming Martin knew about the radio instructions at the time of the BBC interview.
 
amigafan2003 said:
You're assuming Martin knew about the radio instructions at the time of the BBC interview.
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So are you suggesting that the team boss of McLaren, whose job it is to oversee operations of a team whose main reason for being is to race, didn't know what was going on during the race (including the crucial radio comms)?

Like I stated earlier, either the McLaren heirachy (Denis/Whitemarsh) are total idiots and they genuinely have no clue whats going on OR they know exactly what is going on, but aren't very good at the cover stories.

To me, its pretty obvious that Ryan took one for the team and I hope for his troubles, he is compensated as his reputation is shot to pieces.

I only hope that McLaren dont change their story, otherwise things could get ugly. Its always best to get a good story together and then stick to it no matter what. I feel sorry when I see people who are so bad at lying and putting together cover stories.
 
amigafan2003 said:
You're assuming Martin knew about the radio instructions at the time of the BBC interview.
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True, hadn't thought of that. It just seems odd, because wouldn't Mr. Team Principal have been sat next to davey, and given that Kovi is Kovi it's not like he had to divide his attention much....

But true, he could well not have been aware, it just seems unlikely... Guess that's for the FIA to decide..
 
sunama said:
Had Ron Denis not reported his own team, no one would've ever found out.
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He was left with little choice when a scum bag of a driver threatens to go to the top. What else was he supposed to do especially as many people think dennis wasn't in on it and wasn't aware of how deep it went.

Alonso should never have been given immunity for giving evidence. He should have been banned for his part in it all.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Alonso should never have been given immunity for giving evidence. He should have been banned for his part in it all.
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Exactly. The only reason Alonso wasn't banned from the season was because Bernie et al was loving the viewing figures of the Alonso vs Hamilton title fight.
 
[TW]Taggart;13843912 said:
oh dear doenst look good for Mclaren. I hope for lewis's sake they dont throw the book at them, he needs a new drive ASAP.
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The only opening I can see at the moment is Piquet's at Renault..with Alonso haha.
 
dannyjo22 said:
He was left with little choice when a scum bag of a driver threatens to go to the top. What else was he supposed to do especially as many people think dennis wasn't in on it and wasn't aware of how deep it went.

Alonso should never have been given immunity for giving evidence. He should have been banned for his part in it all.
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In true British fashion lets just shoot the messenger, for crying out loud, who was at fault, Alonso or Mclaren?? Who did not adhere to team orders, LH or Alonso in Hungary?? Now Im no fan of Alonso or Mclaren, but I dont think you can blame Alonso for doing what he did, especially as Mclaren would have been all to happy to let him take the fall (just like this time Davey has!).
 
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