** Weekend Football Thread ** *spoilers*

JBuk said:
Watching the replay in slowmo it shows Carrick touches the ball 1st then Gomez gets a slight hand on it but ends up sending Carrick over


Why isn't that a pen? (I'm not looking for an argument just clarification as I'm on the fence)
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Because if you play the ball first then it is a fair challenge (as long as its not dangerous...etc), if you take the man first or don't get the ball its a foul. Hence if Gomes diverts the ball away from goal (as he did), it doesn't matter if he then makes contact.
 
PikeyPriest said:
Because if you play the ball first then it is a fair challenge (as long as its not dangerous...etc), if you take the man first or don't get the ball its a foul. Hence if Gomes diverts the ball away from goal (as he did), it doesn't matter if he then makes contact.
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This is what I wasn't sure of. I saw him make contact but I thought he took Carrick first.

Still, whilst it was the turning point, we still flattened Spurs. Liverpool got a lot of luck today, why shouldn't we get some as well? :p
 
StooM said:
Well it was pretty obvious to me watching on Setanta, and indeed their commentary team agreed, even the replays showed gomes getting a clear touch - the change in the direction of the ball was blatantly obvious and thems the rules - if the keeper gets a touch its fair game.
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Wow, if Craig 'I hate Man Utd' Burley said it was so, then it must be. Oh, lets top it off with the 2 Liverpool boys and the Spurs boy on Match of the Day too. :rolleyes:

Scratchy said:
How did he give that penalty? The way people were saying it was an easy mistake for the ref to make I figured Gomez had hardly touched the ball but you can see quite clearly see the ball totally changes direction.
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Except he only touched it after Carrick flicked it, so he wasn't going to get it anyway, Carrick didn't try to knock it out of play either, so if he wasn't taken out by the keeper he would easily have just crossed it back in. If a defender does what Gomes did (but with his foot), then it would be a foul every single time. What makes it safe for a keeper.



JBuk said:
Watching the replay in slowmo it shows Carrick touches the ball 1st then Gomez gets a slight hand on it but ends up sending Carrick over

Why isn't that a pen? (I'm not looking for an argument just clarification as I'm on the fence)
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Exactly, Carrick clearly touches it first and is then taken out, stopping him getting the ball.

As for the discussions I've seen Baz have, there weren't TWO fouls in the build up to the second goal, there was one foul. It also was never a free-kick for Mascherano's dive (he didn't trip himself). Carraghers block was not a foul at all, but good defending. Skrtels was a foul in the box, it wasn't shielding, it was slamming an arse into him and obstructing, and his dive for a glance to the head was hilarious. It was also a definite red card.

What does annoy me is Phil Brown claiming 'x' hasn't gone his way etc... but he got all that luck at the start of the season. He got away with murder when Turner wasn't sent off against Man Utd for a start.
 
NokkonWud said:
:confused: by your post, but at least it made me :D.

Looking at the Sky Player Ratings and I'd completely forgot King and Keane even played today.:eek:Anonymous or what!
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i've * got to see one game at home live this season + this morning i found out i got a job i applied for. it's been a good day.

*only

I will say that it felt like watching man united again in the second half if any fellow fans get what i mean.
 
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Well done buddy :). Always nice getting a job, so congratulations.

I've only been to see one live game this season also, Newcastle 1-1. In 2 seasons I've not seen us win live, lol. I've turned down 7 matches for fear of being a jinx.
 
NokkonWud said:
As for the discussions I've seen Baz have, there weren't TWO fouls in the build up to the second goal, there was one foul. It also was never a free-kick for Mascherano's dive (he didn't trip himself). Carraghers block was not a foul at all, but good defending. Skrtels was a foul in the box, it wasn't shielding, it was slamming an arse into him and obstructing, and his dive for a glance to the head was hilarious. It was also a definite red card.
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Masch didn't dive. Watch the replay properly and you'll see he clips his own heels and then as he's falling Boateng kicks him. Not a free-kick as he was already going down but not a dive either.

As for our 2nd goal. I pressume you're still talking about the handball appeal, which even Brown struggled to say it was controversial. The ball's been deflected from less than a yard away and he knew nothing about it.

And the Skrtel incident; he's stepped across (not slammed his arse) the forward like any defender would do and let Folan run/jump into him. Like 99.9% of those type of incidents, the defender has no intention of playing the ball however untill there's clear instruction from the FA/Refs that it's not allowed then it's part and parcel of defending and it never gets punished (well maybe once in 100 incidents).

edit: and again Brown didn't even complain about it when asked if he thought Skrtel fouled Folan.
 
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You say potato, I say YOU'RE WRONG BITCH! :D It was a dive :p. It wasn't as bad or as obvious as his one earlier in the season, but a dive none the less.

I'm not talking about handball, I'm talking about a foul in the buildup before the handball. I don't disagree regarding the handball, it was almost impossible for him to get his arm away and it's just fortunate it's landed at Skrtel to spaz a shot and get lucky.

Skrtel was obstruction, not blocking the ball, there was a clear difference there. I normally always give credit to defenders employing that technique (shielding), but Skrtel looked at his man, shifted his weight backwards and obstructed with a foul. I know you always defend a lot of ridiculousness from Liverpool, often stuff that's black and white, but even you did't defend Skrtel for his dive :D.
 
Sorry Nokkon. Baz has got you there. I mean, if he says it happened then it clearly did. All the replays are wrong.

Baz you should work for the police mate. Your ability to know exactly what happened, even when faced with video evidence to the contrary, would make you invaluable. ;)
 
On a side note, Ferguson has stated that Berbatov was the best player in the first half for us. What was he watching?! Perhaps because he stood still, moved for nothing, never took the ball from a pass and never harried a man that he therefore couldn't have done any of that poorly.

First half I had him as our worst player. Ferdinand as second worst.

Sometimes Fergusons comments just baffle me. And his arrogance that he (Berbatov) "doesn't need to win the fans over" and that it was "only a penalty miss" towards our fans irk the hell out of me. He needs to remember who the **** pays his wages.
 
NokkonWud said:
You say potato, I say YOU'RE WRONG BITCH! :D It was a dive :p. It wasn't as bad or as obvious as his one earlier in the season, but a dive none the less.

I'm not talking about handball, I'm talking about a foul in the buildup before the handball. I don't disagree regarding the handball, it was almost impossible for him to get his arm away and it's just fortunate it's landed at Skrtel to spaz a shot and get lucky.

Skrtel was obstruction, not blocking the ball, there was a clear difference there. I normally always give credit to defenders employing that technique (shielding), but Skrtel looked at his man, shifted his weight backwards and obstructed with a foul. I know you always defend a lot of ridiculousness from Liverpool, often stuff that's black and white, but even you did't defend Skrtel for his dive :D.
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It wasn't a dive. There was no foul in the build up to the 2nd goal and the Skrtel incident is 1 that i'd imagine every fan would like to see cut out of the game however it never gets punished so as far as im concerned it's part and parcel of the defending these days.

As for Skrtel's reaction, he's gone down once Folan run into him so it's not a dive, but it was a shame that he held his head after.
 
Tute said:
Sorry Nokkon. Baz has got you there. I mean, if he says it happened then it clearly did. All the replays are wrong.

Baz you should work for the police mate. Your ability to know exactly what happened, even when faced with video evidence to the contrary, would make you invaluable. ;)
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Sorry i find it hard to discuss football with you when you've proven time and time again that you don't even understand basic rules such as denying a clear goalscoring opportunity and the offside rule.

BTW Nokkon disagreed with you too, genius :p
 
BaZ87 said:
As for Skrtel's reaction, he's gone down once Folan run into him so it's not a dive, but it was a shame that he held his head after.
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He was on his way down long, long before the kick to the ribs and was going to grab his head before the kick too. It reminds me a little of Reina against Robben a few years back. Perhaps he's coached him? :p

The reason it was a foul by Skrtel was that he stopped, shifted his weight backwards and suddenly to the back and right, effectively hitting the player running in, this is different from shepherding the ball where you maintain the same forward movement.
 
NokkonWud said:
He was on his way down long, long before the kick to the ribs and was going to grab his head before the kick too. It reminds me a little of Reina against Robben a few years back. Perhaps he's coached him? :p
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Yea i know. That's why i said it was a shame. He fell to the ground under the challenge, there was no need to hold his head.

BTW, what's Reina done wrong? It was Robben that went down like a sack of **** when Reina pinched his cheeks.

edit because of your ninja edit: I don't disagree that Skrtel has no intention of playing the ball and is just blocking Folan. However this happens time and time again and goes unpunished. If that's a foul/pen they you're going to be giving 2-3 pens per game because it happens all the time. It's not just defenders either, Makelele and Hamann were experts at it.

edit 2: an ex-bitter in Kevin Campbell agrees with me too. That's enough for me :p
 
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NokkonWud said:
On a side note, Ferguson has stated that Berbatov was the best player in the first half for us. What was he watching?! Perhaps because he stood still, moved for nothing, never took the ball from a pass and never harried a man that he therefore couldn't have done any of that poorly.

First half I had him as our worst player. Ferdinand as second worst.

Sometimes Fergusons comments just baffle me. And his arrogance that he (Berbatov) "doesn't need to win the fans over" and that it was "only a penalty miss" towards our fans irk the hell out of me. He needs to remember who the **** pays his wages.
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Nope I thought he was the best in the first half (narrowly followed by Ronaldo), his passing was excellent. In particular his run into the box to set up Fletcher (who should have shot instead of passing to Rooney) In the second half is holding up and ball distribution was superb.
 
Shamikebab said:
Nope I thought he was the best in the first half (narrowly followed by Ronaldo), his passing was excellent. In particular his run into the box to set up Fletcher (who should have shot instead of passing to Rooney) In the second half is holding up and ball distribution was superb.
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I only remember him running towards the ball like a grandad in the first minute after Fletcher played him in brilliantly and his simply walking next to Palacios when Palacios had the ball.

His passing in the second half, particularly after he scored, but even after 2-2 was undoubtedly superb, but in the first half I just thought everything he did was wrong. We were crying out for movement, hustle and a bit of hard work. To say he was better than Ronaldo is incredibly disrespectful to the effort Ronaldo put in. Ronaldo was on the right, left, middle, up top and covering for Evra against Lennon as well as winning headers, and not only that, but his passing was tight and very accurate, I remember him only getting 1 pass cut out which was in the first 10 minutes.
 
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