UK Kindle and E-Books...

I don't see the price argument.

Paperback - £3.99? or secondhand, 1p + P&P.
Hardback - last one i got, like Her Fearful Symmetry by Audrey Niffenegger, paid £8.49 for a 1st Edition Hard cover. How much is that on E-book?

I do accept the space saving element though, but then i am not a big reader.
 
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so you leave and break you phone and replace it for £7.99 a pop. What a silly statement.



Either you misunderstood me, or I'm misunderstanding you? How many books do I have to lose or ruin, to match losing or ruining a £150 reader? I don't care if someone steps on a book, even if they break it, because the issue of replacement is trivial. But if I break a Kindle then it's either insurance (where my excess is (IIRC) £40, or even more to buy another. Where on earth did the bit about phones come into this?



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Why can't people accept that some people think this is a good idea? Why can't those who have one accept that some people think it's a daft idea?
 
Either you misunderstood me, or I'm misunderstanding you? How many books do I have to lose or ruin, to match losing or ruining a £150 reader? I don't care if someone steps on a book, even if they break it, because the issue of replacement is trivial. But if I break a Kindle then it's either insurance (where my excess is (IIRC) £40, or even more to buy another. Where on earth did the bit about phones come into this?



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The comparison was how often do you lose or break a mobile phone? it's a total none problem. How often do you lose or break a laptop? it's really not an issue at all is it.
 
I'm normally the first person to embrace new tech, however I'm perplexed as to what the big deal is with eBook readers at the moment. I can understand many people like them otherwise they wouldn't keep making them, and I can understand the advantages, but right now the cost makes them undesireable.

On the other hand, I still don't think I'll ever get one as it doesn't fit into my 'lifestyle', I buy books (for pennies from second hand shops, market stalls etc), read them, put them on a book case, and read them again years down the line. Having 1 book on my desk, or with me when I leave the house means I read 1 book, as I have a habit of reading a lot at once and picking up more books constantly to read, having an eBook reader would make me put all of my books onto it and I'd never finish one. Another thing that would bug me is I have all of these physical books with me, yet I'd have to rebuy them to use them on a reader? This makes the mp3 player argument defunct as I could rip all my CDs.

I'm also an avid backpacker, so (and this will seem strange at face value) an eBook reader would be a no go, it would have to be books, sure books are heavier, but they won't get damaged by a spill on a mountain or by getting crushed in my rucksack, if someone steals a book, so what? Someone steals a reader at >£100 I'm gonna be slightly annoyed, then theres battery, books don't require a recharge which makes them all the more desirable in the middle of nowhere. As it happens, I don't carry more than one book backpacking as I finish a book, post it home, and buy a new one from somewhere.

All I can say is, no thanks to the eBook readers until they have either more functionality than reading a book, or they drop significantly in price so I can pick one up for next to nothing like an MP3 player, mobile phone, [insert other longstanding, now cheap tech].
 
I'll be reading real books until the day new releases are only available electronically.

I'm with you on that and it will be a sad day when that happens. I think the mp3 and CD analogy is a little misleading in this context. Whether a piece of music is played via mp3 or CD has little difference to the end product (dependent though on the equipment and quality of the mp3 I admit).

For me, and I suspect a lot of others, part of the joy of a book is the smell, texture etc of the book and this is lost with ebooks.
 
I'll be reading real books until the day new releases are only available electronically.

This.

My uncle was showing off his e-book reader the other day and, while very nice to use, I still couldn't see myself using one as I much prefer the proper book to an electronic substitute. While I know that all the information is still going to be the same no-matter which medium it is presented on I prefer the weight of the real book in my hands.


Also, there is no new book smell off those e-reader things.
 
The arguments were the same when MP3 players came out surely?

Why would you download music/books, why would you store everything in one place, etc.

Progress is progress. Its a good thing.

Personally, I want those Minority Report electronic newspapers that update instantaneously.
 
I have a Bookeen Cybook Gen3, which is an electronic ink ebook reader, I bought it last year. I'm very happy with it - although I'm still waiting on a firmware upgrade to provide folder support.

The only thing I'm not happy about is the price gouging. For some reason publishers feel that if I could afford to drop 300 on an electronic book (they are cheaper now) then I can afford to pay more for my books.

I bought Terry Pratchett's latest book - Unseen Academicals this week when it came out. In order to get it cheaper I had to use an American credit card to bypass the regional restrictions. It still cost me way more than getting a brand new hardback delivered.

Sadly publishers have a license to sell books only in a specific geographic region. The US publisher is HarperCollins and the UK publisher is Doubleday. The list price for the US is significantly lower - but I can't buy the ebook from the US store because of the geographic restriction. I think it's price fixing, so I've written to my MP. Got a letter back from him today saying "I am taking up the matter and will write to you as soon as I able to do so" so perhaps something can be done. I'm not entirely hopeful though.

I personally prefer the ebook reader because it's easier to turn pages, I can adjust the size of the font (if my eyes get tired for example, or if I'm reading while I'm on the exercise bike). I also like the idea of being able to carry thousands of books around, and not having to devote a lot of space to them. But it's clearly the case that other people prefer paper books.

If you're neutral to the idea and you read lots of books then paper is still the way to go, until electronic book reading reaches a critical mass and the prices become competitive.

As far as the new international Kindle is concerned... It's not really a UK Kindle since they don't have an agreement with international network providers. You have to pay a delivery premium on each ebook you buy because it has to come through as an international call - at least as far as I understand.
 
The arguments were the same when MP3 players came out surely?

Why would you download music/books, why would you store everything in one place, etc.

Progress is progress. Its a good thing.

Personally, I want those Minority Report electronic newspapers that update instantaneously.

er no because you cant carry a CD, sit down, put it to your ear and listen to it.

you need a player which is essentially what the ebook reader is anyway, whether the books came on small cd or as downloadable content makes no difference...but the difference to a book which is an exceptionally low cost 'standalone' readable item is huge.

out of curiosity, can you 'trade' books with frends and stuff? or are they somehow 'locked' just to your machine?>
 
er no because you cant carry a CD, sit down, put it to your ear and listen to it.

you need a player which is essentially what the ebook reader is anyway, whether the books came on small cd or as downloadable content makes no difference...but the difference to a book which is an exceptionally low cost 'standalone' readable item is huge.

out of curiosity, can you 'trade' books with frends and stuff? or are they somehow 'locked' just to your machine?>

Not really. People would moan about CD packaging being lost as much as the 'smell of a new book'.

Physical items suck anyway. Lots of things are going to be purely downloaded data at some point, i.e. console games, books, films and graphic novels even.

If I can spend hours reading electronic websites then I'd surely be fine with an ebook.

I'm not sure about the trading function atm.
 
I also don't think I could mentally get around turning pages, theres something fulfilling about turning a physical page that I've never felt reading a PDF on the PC.

@Chimerical:
Arguments were probably the same, however the big difference here (and the reason I have an MP3 player but doubt very much I'll buy an eBook reader) is that your old collection could be ripped and transfered to the MP3 player, try doing that with a book. I'm a BIG fan of owning something physical, I hate paying for anything which isn't 'real', you'll never catch me buying from Steam (if I could) because I NEED a case and disc, same with music, I'll buy the CD and rip it, it also gives me more control over what I do (I.E. my favourite bands rip at high vbr/320cbr where as other bands I listen to every now and then go into 192cbr).
 
The arguments were the same when MP3 players came out surely?
Let me explain to you a few reasons why the two are not comparable:
1. The format that music comes on does not fundamentally alter the experience of using it. Whilst album art etc was nice, once the CD was in your hifi there's no difference between it and an MP3. Reading a book and an ebook, however, are noticeably different experiences. People enjoy the physical action of reading a book, an experience that an ebook reader does not exactly replicate.
2. If you wanted to listen to music on the move you always had to spend a decent chunk on a Walkman, Discman or mini Discman. The 'start-up' cost was always high. To move from using CDs to MP3s was thus an easy move when your existing Discman became damaged or tatty - people were expecting to pay that much on a replacement. Indeed, it was not until the price of MP3 players became closer to that of the existing technology, mini-discmans, that they really became popular. The cost of the existing technology in this case, a book, is many multiples more than that of the 'new' technology, e-book readers.
3. People are used to replacing and refreshing their music collection. How many people have the same song on tape, CD and now MP3? Equally, how many people have bought the same book more than once - the culture isn't there.
4. MP3s and MP3 players are less susceptible to damage than CDs and Discmans, which represents a positive attraction for some. With ebook readers, the situation is the opposite. Ebook readers are more likely to be damaged and broken than the, comparatively robust, book.

So there we have four reasons: experience, price, culture and robustness. There are many more, but I'm sure you agree by this point that a comparison with the transition from CDs to MP3 simply doesn't hold water.
 
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The arguments were the same when MP3 players came out surely?

Why would you download music/books, why would you store everything in one place, etc.

Progress is progress. Its a good thing.

Personally, I want those Minority Report electronic newspapers that update instantaneously.

I do agree with you that this is a good thing and have spent the last hour thinking of libraries housed in a small room with hundreds of these screens around for people to use.

Of course I then realised that libraries would become obsolete (bar the few national archive libraries) once these become widespread.

I also reckon that these will be big in schools with kids carrying around an A4 sized rugged version with access to all the necessary books for their classes. No more lugging around heavy school bags and such. (or the goldfish ate it excuse)

I still like my proper books though irregardless of parental complaints about the space consumed by them.
 
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