Your plans for 2010?

[mattyprice4004]

LSD? Rover 400 diesel?!

300lb/ft of torque...

I loved the LSD on the 620ti, and this is probably going to be nearly or possibly as quick as that, so would be useful I think

 

[Muffin`]

 

[mattyprice4004]

Again, I fail to see the problem? If it has a lot of power (for a FWD) then surely it's a useful addition?

 

[[TW]Fox]

All that torque is at the flywheel how much of it actually makes it to the tarmac?

 

[Dolph]

All that torque is at the flywheel how much of it actually makes it to the tarmac?

2s 6d.

 

[fonzee]

facepalm.jpg

...says he who wants to tart up some ol' 318 as a M3

 

[Joshy]

...says he who wants to tart up some ol' 318 as a M3

pwnt, tbh.

What's that saying about glass houses?

 

[[TW]Fox]

Errr yea because fitting a set of mirrors to an otherwise factory standard 318iS is just like fitting an LSD and a load of pointless tuning crap to a Rover 400 diesel bought for economy reasons

 

[Joshy]

All that torque is at the flywheel how much of it actually makes it to the tarmac?

I'm not picking a fight, but how is that relevant in the slightest? Unless Rover Diesels run use some completely different way of transferring power to the driven wheels, the transmission losses will be more or less the same as any other car.

 

[Muffin`]

Errr yea because fitting a set of mirrors to an otherwise factory standard 318iS is just like fitting an LSD and a load of pointless tuning crap to a Rover 400 diesel bought for economy reasons

Pretty much what I was going to say. I didn't buy my car for econmy reasons, unlike the rover owner.

 

[[TW]Fox]

I'm not picking a fight, but how is that relevant in the slightest? Unless Rover Diesels run use some completely different way of transferring power to the driven wheels, the transmission losses will be more or less the same as any other car.

It's hugely relevent, which is why a Honda Integra Type-R will accelerate to 60mph quicker than a Rover 400 diesel, which has more torque.

Hint: Look at the relationship between torque and revs.

 

[mattyprice4004]

40-45mpg is about the going rate for a very highly tuned L series, combined with essentially bombproof reliability I think it's still under the economy bracket, no?

Yes I got the car because it was cheap. If I had more I'd be driving something RWD with a lot more power and better handling.

But as I'm handy with a spanner, have spare time, and because things like FMICs and a VNT turbo aren't THAT expensive, why not make the most of it?

I've been in one running about 160bhp and it was pretty impressive, even compared to the 620ti.

 

[Joshy]

Errr yea because fitting a set of mirrors to an otherwise factory standard 318iS is just like fitting an LSD and a load of pointless tuning crap to a Rover 400 diesel bought for economy reasons

So making an otherwise factory standard 318iS car into a replica of a car that you can actually buy for £2,500 odd (not implying that you should!) is less of a facepalm than modifying a car for performance? Surely the Rover owner understands that once he starts fiddling around with remaps and the like his fuel economy is going to start trailing off?

 

[Joshy]

It's hugely relevent, which is why a Honda Integra Type-R will accelerate to 60mph quicker than a Rover 400 diesel, which has more torque.

Hint: Look at the relationship between torque and revs.

Because Torque means little in the grand scheme of things because it is multiplied by the Gearbox anyway?

You just made it sound like you were having a poke at him because of Transmission losses. My mistake.

 

[[TW]Fox]

So making an otherwise factory standard 318iS car into a replica of a car that you can actually buy for £2,500 odd (not implying that you should!) is less of a facepalm than modifying a car for performance?

He's going to buy a set of mirrors off Ebay for 100 quid. The rest of the M3 kit is factory standard and ALREADY fitted to his car.

You cannot buy a 1998 M3 Coupe for £2500.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Because Torque means little in the grand scheme of things because it is multiplied by the Gearbox anyway?

You just made it sound like you were having a poke at him because of Transmission losses. My mistake.

Exactly this - diesels have high torque at the flywheel but don't rev very high. Something like a Type R Honda has low torque at the flywheel but revs very high which counters this and means that a car with low torque won't be slower provided it revs high enough.

A decent petrol engine is a half way point between the two. I still think that in terms of all round driveability its best when BHP and Torque are roughly similar, rather than high BHP/low torque which gives you a thrashy VTEC or low BHP/high torque which gives you a nothing-nothing-whoaabitofpower-then-its-all-over diesel.

This is why I facepalm every time an Audi A3 2.0 TDI 140 S-Line driver goes 'Yea, but I've got bags of torque'.

Until I got my BMW the torquiest car I had owned was a Citroen Xantia diesel. Funnily enough it was also by far the slowest

 

[Dolph]

I'm not picking a fight, but how is that relevant in the slightest? Unless Rover Diesels run use some completely different way of transferring power to the driven wheels, the transmission losses will be more or less the same as any other car.

It's highly relevant to all cars, the gearbox is a torque convertor, and the gears determine what multiple of the fly torque is achieved at the wheels.

Diesels are much longer geared than petrols, which reduces the amount of torque between the wheels and the ground.

 

[Joshy]

He's going to buy a set of mirrors off Ebay for 100 quid. The rest of the M3 kit is factory standard and ALREADY fitted to his car.

You cannot buy a 1998 M3 Coupe for £2500.

The M3 alloys, M3 Steering wheel (with cruise) and M3 Front lip he's planning on apparently didn't come with the car. And nobody mentioned anything about the 1998 model year?

 

[mattyprice4004]

170-180bhp will still make it more lively than most diesel hacks, while keeping above 40mpg and being fun when roads and conditions allow. Plus the reliability.

Surely not really facepalm tbh? :/

 

[[TW]Fox]

The M3 alloys, M3 Steering wheel (Which cruise) and M3 Front lip he's planning on apparently didn't come with the car.

He has an M3 style steering wheel already - factory fitted - but without multifunction controls. He just wants to replace it with the same wheel but WITH the multifunction controls. Probably just a poor choice of wording, he should have said he wanted a BMW E36/E38/E39 M Sport Multifunction steering wheel as fitted to 1996-2001 E39 Sport models, E38 Sport models, later E36 Sport models and available as an optional accessory on 1996-2001 BMW E38 and E39 5 and 7 Series models'. Or he could just say M3 style for short. The lip is a few quid IIRC.

And nobody mentioned anything about the 1998 model year?

His car is a 98, I'm sure he had reasons for not wanting to buy a 1993 example on its last legs for twice what he paid for his.