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It's good to have different opinions voiced. I'm quite happy to have him being as offensive as he likes as long as he keeps making thought provoking points, would be no use if he was frothing at the mouth and agreeing with Wayne. Plus I suspect I cause just as much offence as he does, so can't object too much :)

Yes but there are ways :) and ways :mad:.
 
My CPU history has been a bit garbled, but I spent most of my adult life in the AMD camp.

Celeron 400mhz when I was a teen.
Then 2400XP, 2500XP-M, A64 3000+, A64 4000+, A64 3800X2, E2160, E5200, E6750, E8200, E8500.

Now my rig is primarly for gaming and audio editing, the latter not really needing as much oompf as video editing/encoding does.

I do encode vids for my phone, but than is usually done as a batch while I am at work.

My E8500 will tide me over nicely for a good while, but I have been thinking about what my next move would be.

I've already moved to a 5770 to save on some wattage (though will Crossfire when needed in the future), but don't really know enough about AMD's current range to make a decision. i3 doesn't interest me, and the i5 just doesn't look right to me in terms of value, so I would seriously consider a switch to AMD in the future, provided it will be at least a marginal step up from my E8500 for the tasks I use.

Do the new AMD range run cooler than the similarly specced Intel range?
 
Hello krooton,

I think there are a few points in your post we can discuss but for the most part the rest of it doesn't fall within the scope of this discussion (of this single thread). I know some people generally prefer a more organic flowing discussion but the propensity for Thread-Drift on these forums is *huge* hehe!

The actual topic would be to more specifically to do with either of these two pieces of hardware and what value they bring to different people in different situations and generally is the premium of the more expensive item worth it or reasonable . . .

AMD® Athlon™ II X4 vs. Intel® Core™ i7


I spent most of my adult life in the AMD camp
Interesting, I've managed to split myself fairly evenly between the two. I *can* understand why someone would choose to stick with a certain technology manufacturer over another, if the product works and does the job then your tool works well and you can go on to begin performing tasks with it.

The advantages to sticking with a particular company are most likely a time-saving strategy . . . . as long as it works and performs its function then your happy. Sticking with a particular company is also more likely the most Stress-Free option as it's a lot easier to choose an item from a limited range, most people (inc myself) can become Overwhelmed when faced with an endless list of complicated choices . . . so it's a massive stress-saving exercise to simply reduce your selection . . .

AMD® Athlon™ II X4 vs. Intel® Core™ i7

There are a lot of people on this forum that find the task of choosing between the two pieces of technology above a daunting or slightly stressful prospect so those that would prefer a more simpler life will let someone else do their thinking for them, someone they trust, an expert maybe, an authority figure!

Simply put, either choice is gonna net you a serious piece of kit although one may be more suitable to your Personal-Needs . . . In general I am advocating that people should not let other people do their thinking for them, you are the expect, you are the guru, only you truly know what is best for you and it just needs a little time to collect enough data together so you are able to make an *Informed* choice . . . . of course one big problem we are having here is getting access to that data.

It is my personal belief that these forums could be a technical mecca, there are so many truly great minds here with fantastic knowledge in their chosen realms that between us not only could we make sure that each and every member is given the information they need to make the choices they need but we could then go on to transform society and the world! . . . Haha! :)

Celeron 400mhz when I was a teen
Off topic but Kudo none the less, your old school bro!

Now my rig is primarily for gaming and audio editing, the latter not really needing as much oompf as video editing/encoding does. I do encode vids for my phone, but than is usually done as a batch while I am at work
The information you need is mostly out there, don't defer your thinking to an expert, don't let someone else do your thinking for you, there is enough data available to you to easily make a confident purchase.

To make it easier for you I would just say this, use the AMD system in the first post as base camp due to it being half the price, from that point do your homework and understand what the benefits are to you personally of buying something else . . . you may find either system is actually ott for your needs and could go with something else even more affordable . . .

don't really know enough about AMD's current range to make a decision
Indeed! :D

Why is that I wonder . . . .

Do the new AMD range run cooler than the similarly specced Intel range?

I've not personal experience with the Intel® Core™ i7 so can't really answer that, from what I've seen they do run hotter than AMD® Athlon™ II but to be fair I've not seen a lot of people posting temps with a stock Intel® processor, I also have not used an AMD® Athlon™ II X4 only an AMD® Athlon™ II X3 which is basically a quad with one core disabled and can say they run extremely cool . . .

If you need more assistance krooton then please get yourself a dedicated thread going and I will be happy to help, if you care to comment on how you see the Pro's and Con's on AMD® Athlon™ II X4 vs Intel® Core™ i7 from your personal perspective I would be grateful, sadly it won't be possible to go into other options like Intel® Core™ i3 and AMD® Phenom™ II in this single thread . .

Thanks in advance for your feedback! :cool:

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Please Note: To anyone that has made a valid *but* off topic suggestion in this thread I would encourage each and every one of you to take that point and base a new thread around it . . . deffo some good points/comments being made so it would be a shame not to follow them through to their logical conclusion! :)
 
So now the question is, will you either spend 600 on rig to play your favourite game at 100fps or will you decide to pay 300 extra for total of 900gbp to play it at 110 or 115fps when anything above 40-50fps makes no difference in gameplay anyways?

erm, you've obviously never heard of vsync have you!

I play CoD5@ 100fps/100hertz!
 
Off Topic:

I do believe you make it a habit to not answer questions and have developed a fine line in constantly missing the point . . kinda makes any attempt at a reasonable conversation with you pointless . . . most of your posts rely on your usual Argumentum ad hominem Technique which is really not called for in a technical forum!

Then just be open and answer the facts...Amd vision is not always the answer

I'm not particularly impressed at how you speak with other members of the community, keep that up and you will end up with no-one to talk with except yourself . . . there are plenty of other people on these forums who are more knowledgeable & friendly than you so I dare say my time is better spent with these likeminded individuals . . . I have practically nothing in common with you at all . . .

When people are spending their hard earned cash then quite frankly being friendly is second on my list. I get to the point thats all.Deal with it.

Well as I have already told you a few times already I am analyzing the differences between AIIX4 and Core i7 and trying to draw a conclusion before moving onto the newer Core i3 (there is a lot of data involved), however you seem to not understand this? . . Please refrain from deliberately attempting to take this thread off topic with your Argumentum ad ignorantiam

Well I have jusy moved to i7 920 at the cost of £300 for mobo chip and ram so I will tell you soon enough when I get it under water.

All I will say for the moment is I have not seen sufficient data on the Core i3 to make any assumptions, if you feel strongly about this then please feel free to invest some of your time in creating a new thread full of facts and figures and I will be glad to contribute! ;)

All will do 4ghz by the looks of things and mobo can be had for 65, chips at 85 and ram at 75.

Sounds like bang for buck to me


That remains to be seen, the burden of proof lay with you and I will be interested to see what you come up with in your thread. Just to say though your grasp of financial figures have always been wildly innacurate and therefore cannot be taken seriously. Athlon II X4 is *cheaper* than Core i3 in the real world so your basis for arguement is weakened already, there is also one or two other Athlon II chips I can use in your i3 comparison but that is another debate altogether (for another thread). I would suggest you read more than a single Anandtech article before making assumptions, I would also suggest you buy some hardware and stop giving it the large!

I7 920, Asus P6T and 6GB Patriot low lantency triple channel ram. Should be pretty quick for 300 smackers

If you want to be helpful in this thread then please take up the other side of the debate I am presenting and demonstrate some strengths of Core i7 that I have perhaps missed . . . other than that I won't be drawn off topic by yourself any futher . . .

I'll make some comparisons and benchies and watch the core i7 drive any AMD offerings ino the ground. I cannot wait.;):D
 
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Don't mean to chime in on an argument between you two, but what Big.Wayne is trying to say is, is the i7 920 worth twice as much as the AthlonII 620.

Does it give you exactly twice the performance of the AMD setup which costs half as much.

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The high end will always command a premium.

If you want the fastest then you pay.

I laid out 300 quid for my i7 920, mobo and 6GB triple channle ram.

Not the expensive is it?
 
It's good to have different opinions voiced. I'm quite happy to have him being as offensive as he likes as long as he keeps making thought provoking points, would be no use if he was frothing at the mouth and agreeing with Wayne. Plus I suspect I cause just as much offence as he does, so can't object too much :)

I'll be direct as I like if the post's I am reading are GUFF..Thanks Jon...I see no harm in destroying arguements if it means the facts come across.
 
I think this thread should be stopped as it's turning out to be another AMD vs Intel thread.

We have many threads like this on the forum already that doesn`t turn out so good in the end with things said that really shouldn`t.
 
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I think this thread should be stopped as it's turning out to be another AMD vs Intel thread.

We have many threads like this on the forum already that doesn`t turn out so good in the end with things said that really shouldn`t.

LOL

You're kidding right?


The Firts post is an AMD v INtel thread :p
 
I love this thread Big.Wayne, and i in no way see it as an AMD vs INTEL thread.

I started out with Amd, then crossed over to Intel because i, with my limited knowledge, considered them market leaders. ( in my heart i always wanted to return to Amd, because i think of them as the little man fighting against the bigger corporation, Intel.)

I like this thread because having been away from Amd for so long, my knowledge of their chips is next to nothing and zero.

Now that you are providing some great comparisons i feel i can now make a better informed choice, and choose An Amd setup for my next build.

With a cheaper setup and a nice overclock, i see that i CAN build a computer using an Amd chip, that will rival Intel as a gaming machine.

Keep up the great work, you are showing people that there are options, (as long as somonelse does the work.);) j/k.:)
 
This thread helped me in deciding in my purchase, so as of thursday ill be the proud owner of an amd spec:)
Thank you for reading bakes0310 and I'm glad it proved useful to you.

If you bought an Athlon™ II product then please feel free to drop by this thread anytime! :)

AMD® Athlon™ II Overclocking Thread
 
Thank you for reading moremoney and I hope you found it useful in some small way! :)

You have to be joking yes?

How could i not read your threads?

If i ignored your posts i would be wasting money on my next build.

If i had not come across your threads compairing AMD chips to Intels, i would have bought i7, which i do not need, so thanks.

We sometimes get stuck with what we know, and so we do not research enough. This is how i have been.

Thanks to you its time for a change.

I am coming back to AMD.:D
 
Just typing from the heart.

If I want mid range then I buy AMD

If I want the fastest then I buy i7

It really is that simple.

What if you want the best bang for buck.

I know i7 is uber powerful, but it's more power than I need at more money than I want to spend.

I like the middle-ground, hence the 2500XPM @ 3200 speeds, the A64 4000+ @ 3Ghz and such.

I prefer to get a cheaper cpu, and overclock it to the performance of an expensive one, rather than buying an expensive one and clocking it to massive levels.

Core 2 Duo whipped AMD at the time, hence me switching to them, but as I haven't kept up on current trends, which has the mid to mid-highs that clock to the levels of the highs?
 
What if you want the best bang for buck.

I know i7 is uber powerful, but it's more power than I need at more money than I want to spend.

I like the middle-ground, hence the 2500XPM @ 3200 speeds, the A64 4000+ @ 3Ghz and such.

I prefer to get a cheaper cpu, and overclock it to the performance of an expensive one, rather than buying an expensive one and clocking it to massive levels.

Core 2 Duo whipped AMD at the time, hence me switching to them, but as I haven't kept up on current trends, which has the mid to mid-highs that clock to the levels of the highs?

A good point, but we should remember that the C2Ds were only made because AMDs Athlon 64s completely whopped Intels Pentium D (or something similar). So the answer isn't 'Intel is better' or 'AMD is better'. It's that competition is good, it bring out the best in both.
 
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