Englands World Cup Failure

[Yas786]

Lampard and Gerrard are both better midfielders than Schweinsteiger.

Well if they are then they arent showing it are they??...id take Schweinsteiger over Gerrard and Lampard any day...both did FA today and barring the Slovenia match...they didnt do FA in the other games either.

I heard from the German media they were very fearful of England. Not a clue if that's true or not.

Well if they were again they didnt show it...seeing as they soundly thrashed us 4-2....yes im giving us the 2nd goal...whether we got that 2nd goal...i dont think it would have changed the outcome maybe it would have and maybe it wouldnt have....no one really knows....still think the Germans would have beaten us regardless.

 

[BaZ87]

It's not even woeful teamwork. No coach in their right mind would sign England's entire team - too many similar players who can strike a ball but lack invention and real technical ability.

I really don't agree with this. England are capable of putting out an 11 that on paper could compete at any level. Johnson, Ferdinand, Cole (both of them), Gerrard, Lampard and Rooney don't lack technical ability; they're all gifted footballers. Gerrard, Rooney and Lampard have torn defences apart for their clubs in Europe.

England's problems are a lack of depth and finding a system that works. The 11 below is not a bad side; of course there are weaknesses and players slightly out of position (Barry at dm for example) but I'm sure people could find ways of improving the Chelsea side that won the double.

--------------James
Johnson-Ferdinand-Terry-A.Cole
--------------Barry
Lennon--Gerrard-Lampard--J.Cole
-------------Rooney

 

[Gustov]

What are you smoking, of those teams from England I'd take Rooney, Lampard, Terry, Cole, then one German CB, Lahm over Johnson whose god damned horrific defensively, Schweinsteiger, Pod, Muller, Ozil.

I didn't say who would you take from the German team, I said who would you swap.

So going by your argument you'd swap

Lampard for Schweinsteiger?

Muller for Defoe?

Podolski for Rooney?

Ozil for Gerrard?

You can't have both...

 

[Yas786]

AS for complaining about 2-2 being a different game, it wouldn't have been, up till 2-1 the Germans were cruising, the goal came out of nowhere and they had an off 5-10 minutes, half time was the difference, not 2-1 or 2-2.

They have a manager capable of motivating or just effecting the players, they came out calm, collected and like the team right up till 2-1, they played the second half like all but 10 minutes of the first half.

The only thing that effected their game at all was the surprise of the England goal out of nowhere, the fact is at 2-2 they still would have had half time to calm down and get their heads back in the game and when they did that, they were simply so massively better than England they would have still won. England were NEVER in this game, ever, they weren't close, we were so outplayed in every position, in every situation, in every area of the pitch it was a joke.

Spot on....perfectly said DM...Germany didnt look panicked at all when the first England goal went in...sure they lost a bit of their composure but seeing as it was close to halftime...i think most teams would have been a shaken to have let an easy goal in like that...plus England started to push forward more...had it been halfway through the first half...things might have been different. For me the worst German player is that Boateng fellow...utterly useless and England should have used that to their advantage but didnt really to any effect from what i saw.

Hell going into halftime it would have been England up 3-2 and i still think the Germans would have beaten us...why?? because they are very well organised and efficient...for a young side such as theirs now...dear oh dear they are going to only get better and better with time and thats a scary proposition to face in the future.

 

[Spud21]

How witty of you.



Lampard and Gerrard are both better midfielders than Schweinsteiger.

Really, you sure about that ? have you watched Shweinsteiger play much in the bundesliga ? he's one of the main reasons Bayern won the league and got to the final of the champions league, his technical ability is far beyond that of both Gerrard and Lampard, his passing is as shown by today far superior (being out of position, doesn't stop you hitting basic passes)

My mistake.



Capello's retarded decision making again, should have played Dawson/King, I don't care about experience.

Dawson i agree with, but then Dawson has been top class all season and i'd have picked him above all of them bar Terry (that includes Ferdinand who is carried by Vidic 90% of the time)

He's had a terrible season and bagged a goal today against one of the worst defensive errors you'll ever see. He used to be quality but is past it now imo

Yet he's still outperformed the apparently better strikers we have, at international level i'd have Klose over all our strikers, this is his last world cup though. He's just one of those strikers who rarely fails to perform at this level.

Yep, their keep looks decent, it's hardly rocket science that England aren't blessed with the best goalkeepers.

I heard from the German media they were very fearful of England. Not a clue if that's true or not.

They knew they would have to play well to win, but it's mainly that their press isn't as rediculously arrogant as ours.

 

[Gustov]

Well if they are then they arent showing it are they??...id take Schweinsteiger over Gerrard and Lampard any day...both did FA today and barring the Slovenia match...they didnt do FA in the other games either.

To be honest, Lampard was decent today and Gerrard was good vs USA and Slovenia, he also got the assist today.

Lampard and Gerrard (in particular) played a damn sight better than the majority of the England squad over the tournament. (which wasn't hard)

 

[Tombstone]

I didn't say who would you take from the German team, I said who would you swap.

So going by your argument you'd swap

Lampard for Schweinsteiger?

Muller for Defoe?

Podolski for Rooney?

Ozil for Gerrard?

You can't have both...

Ah but if you watch the bundesliga regularly you'll notice that schweinsteiger also plays very effectively as a winger, so wouldn't necessarily have to be a swap for Lampard anyway. Could plonk him quite nicely on the wing. Though having said that I would quite fancy a midfield with Gerrard, Ozil and Schwiensteiger in it, with a decent DM.

 

[BaZ87]

Well if they are then they arent showing it are they??...id take Schweinsteiger over Gerrard and Lampard any day...both did FA today and barring the Slovenia match...they didnt do FA in the other games either.

Somebody in 1 of the threads pointed out David Healy's record for NI, would you take him over Rooney at Arsenal? I think not.

Nobody can deny that Gerrard and Lampard haven't delivered consistently enough for England but equally so, you can't sit there and honestly say you think Schweinsteiger is a better play than either of them. He's a very solid player but nothing more, Gerrard and Lampard have been 2 of the best players in Europe for the past 5-6 years.

England and Gerrard and Lampard's International careers have clear failings but it's not been due to a lack of ability (not their's anyway).

 

[FoxEye]

lol, you fail.

Wanna tell me how the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney and A.Cole are players without great ability?

Congratulations on naming our weakest players to justify your argument buy the way.

You really do believe they're the 2nd best in the world don't you?

Oh my.

 

[Shamikebab]

I see you've ignored my post where I said who I would swap Gustov. Possibly because it didn't help support your argument that England are the second best team on the planet?

 

[Gustov]

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Agree with all that.

 

[nydryl]

I really don't agree with this. England are capable of putting out an 11 that on paper could compete at any level. Johnson, Ferdinand, Cole (both of them), Gerrard, Lampard and Rooney don't lack technical ability; they're all gifted footballers. Gerrard, Rooney and Lampard have torn defences apart for their clubs in Europe.

England's problems are a lack of depth and finding a system that works. The 11 below is not a bad side; of course there are weaknesses and players slightly out of position (Barry at dm for example) but I'm sure people could find ways of improving the Chelsea side that won the double.

--------------James
Johnson-Ferdinand-Terry-A.Cole
--------------Barry
Lennon--Gerrard-Lampard--J.Cole
-------------Rooney

I disagree unsurprisingly. Gerrard and Lampard are both good players but not as good as most England fans would have you believe. They lack the ability and seemingly the desire to take people and their passing is suspect at times. They both have cracking technique when it come to striking a ball but that won't always be enough.

Rooney, I agree, is truely world class on his day but unfortunately for England his form his atrocious just now.

Also the idea of having to find a formation that fits is unsettling. It ends with players playing out of position that don't want to be playing out of position. The results is the shambles of today.

 

[Gustov]

I see you've ignored my post where I said who I would swap Gustov. Possibly because it didn't help support your argument that England are the second best team on the planet?

No I didn't deliberately ignore your post...was too busy replying to DM's...

Also, I never said we are the second best TEAM on the planet, we are FAR from that.

I said we potentially have the second best squad in terms of ABILITY.

 

[Shamikebab]

But what are you basing that on??

You sound like the Sky generation imo, Schweinsteiger can't be good becase he hasn't been on a Nike advert, you haven't had him rammed down your throat as the Best Thing Ever by the media like you have with Gerrard and Lampard.

 

[Gustov]

But what are you basing that on??

You sound like the Sky generation imo, Schweinsteiger can't be good becase he hasn't been on a Nike advert, you haven't had him rammed down your throat as the Best Thing Ever by the media like you have with Gerrard and Lampard.

I've watched him enough to justify having an opinion on him. I think he's a great player but not AS good as Lampard and Gerrard.

 

[FoxEye]

No I didn't deliberately ignore your post...was too busy replying to DM's...

Also, I never said we are the second best TEAM on the planet, we are FAR from that.

I said we potentially have the second best squad in terms of ABILITY.

So why haven't the Barcelonas, the Real Madrids, the Milans, the Bayerns come calling for Gerrard, Lampard, Defoe, Crouch, or <insert England player here>

They really must be missing a trick if we've got all these truly world-class players playing for the likes of Tottenham, Aston Villa, Man City

 

[Tummy]

lol Gustov.

England are over rated and over hyped.

All this "England Fever" the Sun adverts. pfft.

I agree, in part that England have some good players.

Capello got things wrong, players haven't performed, could all be related.

How many of the England eleven that played today would get in to other International sides?

On their performances in the World Cup, none.

 

[nydryl]

I've watched him enough to justify having an opinion on him. I think he's a great player but not AS good as Lampard and Gerrard.

No you haven't. You have to watch other leagues to be able to compare like with like.

 

[Shamikebab]

I've watched him enough to justify having an opinion on him. I think he's a great player but not AS good as Lampard and Gerrard.

Well I think you're wrong, he is more adaptable (can actually play on the wing unlike Gerrard) is a better tackler, is better at keeping the ball and has scored more goals in less games.

 

[Tombstone]

I've watched him enough to justify having an opinion on him. I think he's a great player but not AS good as Lampard and Gerrard.

He is better on the wing than both of them imo. Younger too so would have a longer run in the team at this juncture. Another reason why I would take Ozil, got another decade in him.