Englands World Cup Failure

Gustov · 28 Jun 2010 at 01:04

FoxEye said:
So why haven't the Barcelonas, the Real Madrids, the Milans, the Bayerns come calling for Gerrard, Lampard, Defoe, Crouch, or <insert England player here>

They really must be missing a trick if we've got all these truly world-class players playing for the likes of Tottenham, Aston Villa, Man City

What world class players are you referring to from Villa, Man City and Spurs?

England only have 2 world class players. A.Cole and Rooney. Once again, opinion.

Inter Milan tried to sign Lampard 2 years ago and apparently Madrid are interested in Gerrard but they still remain in the premier league...

Tummy · 28 Jun 2010 at 01:04

Gustov said:
I've watched him enough to justify having an opinion on him. I think he's a great player but not AS good as Lampard and Gerrard.

Couldn't disagree more. Schweinsteiger is a fantastic player.

Imo, He's far better then Lampard and Gerrard is the only one to come close to him.

He taught our "World Class" midfield a lesson.

Gustov · 28 Jun 2010 at 01:05

nydryl said:
No you haven't. You have to watch other leagues to be able to compare like with like.

lol, here's a guy who knows what football I watch without even knowing me.

BaZ87 · 28 Jun 2010 at 01:05

Shamikebab said:
But what are you basing that on??

You sound like the Sky generation imo, Schweinsteiger can't be good becase he hasn't been on a Nike advert, you haven't had him rammed down your throat as the Best Thing Ever by the media like you have with Gerrard and Lampard.

nydryl said:
I disagree unsurprisingly. Gerrard and Lampard are both good players but not as good as most England fans would have you believe. They lack the ability and seemingly the desire to take people and their passing is suspect at times. They both have cracking technique when it come to striking a ball but that won't always be enough.

Gerrard and Lampard have been 2 of the best players in Europe for years. Both of them have played and shined against the best club sides in Europe consistently for the past 6 years. They've not performed for England like they have for their clubs but it's not because of a lack of ability.

Tummy · 28 Jun 2010 at 01:06

Gustov said:
Inter Milan tried to sign Lampard 2 years ago and apparently Madrid are interested in Gerrard but they still remain in the premier league...

I think more English players should move to European sides.

I think it would help them develope.

The Premier League pays more though.

Yas786 · 28 Jun 2010 at 01:07

Tummy said:
Couldn't disagree more. Schweinsteiger is a fantastic player.

Imo, He's far better then Lampard and Gerrard is the only one to come close to him.

He taught our "World Class" midfield a lesson.

This

Shamikebab said:
Well I think you're wrong, he is more adaptable (can actually play on the wing unlike Gerrard) is a better tackler, is better at keeping the ball and has scored more goals in less games.

This

Shamikebab said:
But what are you basing that on??

You sound like the Sky generation imo, Schweinsteiger can't be good becase he hasn't been on a Nike advert, you haven't had him rammed down your throat as the Best Thing Ever by the media like you have with Gerrard and Lampard.

And this.

Gustov · 28 Jun 2010 at 01:07

Tombstone said:
He is better on the wing than both of them imo. Younger too so would have a longer run in the team at this juncture. Another reason why I would take Ozil, got another decade in him.

I'd take Ozil for sure. Him and the GK are probably the only two for me.

Gamer_T · 28 Jun 2010 at 01:07

Gutted Gutted Gutted Gutted Gutted.

Shamikebab · 28 Jun 2010 at 01:07

So Gustov, if we have the second best squad in the world on ABILITY. You are saying that man for man, Brazil's squad has less ability than ours?

FoxEye · 28 Jun 2010 at 01:08

Gustov said:
What world class players are you referring to from Villa, Man City and Spurs?

England only have 2 world class players. A.Cole and Rooney. Once again, opinion.

Inter Milan tried to sign Lampard 2 years ago and apparently Madrid are interested in Gerrard but they still remain in the premier league...

Well now you're confusing me. You said the England team has the 2nd best players in their positions in the world, but only 2 of them are world class?

Eh?

Gustov · 28 Jun 2010 at 01:08

Spawn said:
This

This

And this.

You know, you could have just said you think he's a better player than Lampard.

Shamikebab · 28 Jun 2010 at 01:09

BaZ87 said:
Gerrard and Lampard have been 2 of the best players in Europe for years. Both of them have played and shined against the best club sides in Europe consistently for the past 6 years. They've not performed for England like they have for their clubs but it's not because of a lack of ability.

That's great, except we're talking about international football...not club football.

Yas786 · 28 Jun 2010 at 01:10

Shamikebab said:
So Gustov, if we have the second best squad in the world on ABILITY. You are saying that man for man, Brazil's squad has less ability than ours?

Well add in Argies and the Spanish into that mix lol.

Yas786 · 28 Jun 2010 at 01:11

Gustov said:
You know, you could have just said you think he's a better player than Lampard.

Which i have said he is :confused:

Sorry club level Lamps is great along with Gerrard...on an international level??...nope they havent done anything of note.

Gustov · 28 Jun 2010 at 01:12

FoxEye said:
Well now you're confusing me. You said the England team has the 2nd best players in their positions in the world, but only 2 of them are world class?

Eh?

Yes, it depends how you define the term 'world class'

For me Brazil have the likes of Lucio, Cesar and Maicon.

Spain have Iniesta, Torres, Xavi, Casillias and Villa.

Argentina have probably just Messi (sure Higuain and Tevez are great players and Aguero is looking to be a great prospect)

biron_w · 28 Jun 2010 at 01:13

We were crap.
Capello is no better than erikson and McClaren IMO.
Why do our managers insist on playing players out of position?Or putting on donkeys like heskey?
What happened to him only selecting the top,in form players?If that was the case then Dawson should have played and Joe Hart should have been in goal.

Gustov · 28 Jun 2010 at 01:14

Shamikebab said:
That's great, except we're talking about international football...not club football.

We're talking about potential ability. We all know the England team are under performing at international level.

Tummy · 28 Jun 2010 at 01:15

Same ****, different manager.

Mr Cappello, has done nothing other then talk a good game and cost the F.A. lots of money.

Tummy · 28 Jun 2010 at 01:16

Gustov said:
We're talking about potential ability. We all know the England team are under performing at international level.

They've been "under performing" for the last two World Cups, Euro's as well.(this group of players)

Maybe, they're not under performing and this is about the level that team is at?

Tombstone · 28 Jun 2010 at 01:17

Gustov said:
Spain have Iniesta, Torres, Xavi, Casillias and Villa.

I would also add Ramos, Alonso, Senna , Casillas and Reina on to that, but then I am biased