This man has my argument spot on
Respect the country's culture and laws, that is what I am trying to get to Tefal if you've misunderstood me
Just as how I do with its laws against violence even if goes against my personal beliefs.
Poll: Poll: should the UK ban the islamic veil?
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This man has my argument spot on
Respect the country's culture and laws, that is what I am trying to get to Tefal if you've misunderstood me
Just as how I do with its laws against violence even if goes against my personal beliefs.
But it's British culture to be tolerant, banning items of clothing because you see them as foreign (and that's some how bad) is pretty violently against British culture.
And I'd say I'm particularly tolerant for a middle-class white guy, I call myself British, not English, so that's a good start.
However there's a difference between acceptance and ignoring a problem. So I believe it's a problem? Well yes I do, you can argue against any form of head garment on security issues alone.
It's a question of respect to the society you choose to integrate with, If I moved abroad I'd go out my way to adapt and accept, it's polite, it's decent and it's a simple matter of respect.
It is upto the majority of the people in the country... not just culture... a Country isn't a country without the people
It isn't our problem to adapt to the society here.... It is theirs.. why do you protect it so much? If I went to another country and lived there, I would learn their language and adapt to their culture to be acceptable to society... Shouldn't they do the same?
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If that is the only way of people accepting you in their society and don't want to do it, why would I live there in the first place? completely flawed argument, as I've said, there is no such thing as complete freedom. Deal with it.
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I find people like you sickening tbh I hope the rage kills you from inside, I think it already is anyway nature will do a fine job for us.
I don't understand how people can just use toilet paper to wipe there backsides, it doesn't clean it properly and just feels nasty. But I dont go on a hatefilled tirade like you do, learn some manners you muppet.
Yeah in shops as groups of hoodies are probably seen as more likely to shoplift. I guess they wouldn't do the same to the veils because they won't be seen as the group to shoplift although it would be in the shopkeepers right to refuse them.
As you say there's no such thing as complete freedom so you may end up there not entirely wanting to be there.
But nice way to doge saying "no i wouldn't integrate if the roles where reversed".
"In November 2006, The Times reported that a judge adjourned a court case and took advice after lawyer Shabnam Mughal twice declined to remove her niqab. Judge George Glossop requested that she do so as he was struggling to hear her during the hearing."
"A man wanted on terrorism charges is believed to have dressed in a burqa, which covers the body and face entirely, in order to escape the police."
"The male terrorists responsible for the 21 July 2005 London bombings fled disguised in burqas."
"Aishah Azmi was sacked from a Church of England school after refusing to remove her niqab in front of men. She had been recently hired and had not mentioned this condition at her job interview, at which she had not worn a niqab. She took her case to an employment tribunal, which saw, unusually, many British politicians commenting on it before it was heard. They included the Prime Minister, Tony Blair, who said he supported the school's actions, and race relations minister Phil Woolas, who said she should be "sacked". Azmi lost her case for unfair dismissal "
"A man wanted on terrorism charges is believed to have dressed in a burqa, which covers the body and face entirely, in order to escape the police."
"The male terrorists responsible for the 21 July 2005 London bombings fled disguised in burqas."
"Aishah Azmi was sacked from a Church of England school after refusing to remove her niqab in front of men. She had been recently hired and had not mentioned this condition at her job interview, at which she had not worn a niqab. She took her case to an employment tribunal, which saw, unusually, many British politicians commenting on it before it was heard. They included the Prime Minister, Tony Blair, who said he supported the school's actions, and race relations minister Phil Woolas, who said she should be "sacked". Azmi lost her case for unfair dismissal "
I feel highly offended by the very un-British intolerance you've just shown, can we get you banned?
No?
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He did what now?!
Our grandfathers fought two world wars for this country to be free, so I think I have every right to express my opinion on a matter that is affecting the very fibres of society.
Its clear that the only people that are in favour of the silly veils are the veil wearers themselves.
Is expression of a personal opinion against the rules? topics such as these will always cause a passionate debate surely?
Why dont they ban you for calling for others to be banned? Its a bit like seeing footballers waving imaginery yellow cards, somewhat childish and rather cringeworthy. No?
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If I was to be there not by choice (how that could happen? I do not know)
Then I would have no choice but to integrate even if it is against my will... Why?
Because rules are meant to be followed however much you hate it, even if it doesn't make any sense whatsoever, it is not my choice, it is their Country, the people there decide, not me.
Sadly untrue - they have an army of native apologists on their side.
It's a shame so many people want something banned, especially as it really doesn't affect anyone and has no real negatives, however when it comes to places with a certain dress code then these people should be more reasonable, in general i think such religious stuff is silly and backward but wanting it banned goes against our rights.
I do hope you understand the irony and hypocrisy of using this justification given the subject matter.
I'm a muslim veil wearer? News to me... I don't care what people wear, and I certainly don't want the state to have the right to start dictating dress codes to people.
Of course, they also serve well to highlight ignorance and irrationality.
When you understand why I wouldn't support the veil being banned, you'll also understand why I wouldn't support you being banned. By calling for restrictions based on opinion, you open yourself up to the same risk. If you support banning veils because you don't like them, how is it any different to me supporting banning you because I don't like your views?
How so? I'm pretty certain that the vast majority of the vocal posters that are against the ban in this thread do not wear burqas/hijabs, I fail to see how you find the opposite to be clear.
Given that the percentage of BNP voters is smaller than the percentage of muslims in the UK, would you support populist moves to place arbitary restrictions on the activities of BNP voters if they had popular support?
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It is upto the majority of the people in the country... not just culture... a Country isn't a country without the people
It isn't our problem to adapt to the society here.... It is theirs.. why do you protect it so much? If I went to another country and lived there, I would learn their language and adapt to their culture to be acceptable to society... Shouldn't they do the same?
Our society has traditionally been quite accepting of others and makes very few demands on them - what you'd be asking for with a ban on veils is to protect the traditional "look" of the country by undermining the traditional values.
While it may be courteous to adapt as far as possible it is difficult (and futile) to attempt to set absolute standards as to what should be considered sufficient adaptation.