2011 Census soon!

Knubje · 22 Feb 2011 at 15:37

+1 for being too cba to fill it in!

Abraham · 22 Feb 2011 at 15:40

Craig1981 said:
I have nothing to hide and I will fill out the form when it arrives. But how can they legally force you to fill it in? Seems like we should have the right to refuse if we wanted to.

Why though? It requires as close to everyone as possible to fill it in, it's the same logic as jury duty, they want it to be a fair representation of the public, obviously with jury duty there are get-outs as it's a much bigger commitment than filling out a form while you watch tv.

magick · 22 Feb 2011 at 15:44

Craig1981 said:
I have nothing to hide and I will fill out the form when it arrives. But how can they legally force you to fill it in? Seems like we should have the right to refuse if we wanted to.

They can't legaly force you to fill it in. Don't be scared by threats of £1000 fine. When the census people come round just don't disclose any information to them or sign anything and there can be no prosecution. Deal with them in the same you deal with the TV License Inspector.

Craig1981 · 22 Feb 2011 at 15:47

magick said:
They can't legaly force you to fill it in. Don't be scared by threats of £1000 fine. When the census people come round just don't disclose any information to them or sign anything and there can be no prosecution. Deal with them in the same you deal with the TV License Inspector.

But I'm already running out of space for shallow graves in my garden. Maybe I should let this one live?

magick · 22 Feb 2011 at 15:52

Goberpiles316 said:
WHat is it with people in this Country, ID cards, DNA databases and a little bit of paper to fill out and it against my rights, unless you have something to hide what really is the issue.

The old "if you have nothing to hide.." very popular phrase during nazi germany and just about every other police state in existance.

Craig1981 said:
But I'm already running out of space for shallow graves in my garden. Maybe I should let this one live?

ha

Craig1981 · 22 Feb 2011 at 15:54

Actually I'd be in favour of ID cards. I dont see the harm in them at all.

magick · 22 Feb 2011 at 15:58

Craig1981 said:
Actually I'd be in favour of ID cards. I dont see the harm in them at all.

why would you be in favour of ID cards?

Vince · 22 Feb 2011 at 15:59

Apparantly (according to the sun so its fact) there are 400,000 Jedi's in this country. Which is strange as I haven't yet seen a fella hiding in the shadows of my local bar wearing what can only be described as a dressing gown brandishing a light sabre.

magick · 22 Feb 2011 at 16:01

Lopéz said:
I'm staggered. We first got taught about the census in junior school, then in more depth in history lessons at secondary school.

If you were living at home in 2001 (the last census) you won't have actually filled one in yourself but I'm amazed people have never heard of them.

I was living in student accomodation back then and couldn't be bothered to fill it in. I had the census people come round a few times chasing me up but they always came round when I was at the pub lol.

stockhausen · 22 Feb 2011 at 16:01

[TW]Fox;18522792 said:
Exactly. It provides data which can be used to decide whether there is a need, or what sort of benefits might be realised by such schemes, etc.

Do you mean to say that when they introduced the Vehicle Scrappage Scheme the Government might have based it on the 2001 Census? :eek:

magick · 22 Feb 2011 at 16:04

ghost101 said:
When polite people come knocking on the door for 20 minutes of your time, whilst mentioning this is a legal obligation, I doubt many refuse.

If they did that to me i'd tell them i've removed there assumed right of access to my property and are now commiting tresspassing and harasment and if they don't leave or ever come round again i'll call the police and have them prosecuted.

Craig1981 · 22 Feb 2011 at 16:05

magick said:
why would you be in favour of ID cards?

Well they would have some practical benefits, like stopping underage kids buying booze and cigerettes (unless the shopkeeper is crooked of course, but thats a seperate debate). Also good for getting into nightclubs and things if the bouncers think your too young. I'm almost 30 myself, but I imagine for younger people it would be a good thing.

Thats just one benefit I could think of on the fly. I'm sure there would be others.

magick · 22 Feb 2011 at 16:11

Craig1981 said:
Well they would have some practical benefits, like stopping underage kids buying booze and cigerettes (unless the shopkeeper is crooked of course, but thats a seperate debate).

Brilliant idea limiting childrens access to alcohol. Then teenagers will just go and take dodgy pills/coke instead. I'm not saying its good for teenagers to get drunk, but it happens always has and always will. If you deprive them of one high then they'll just look for another.

Craig1981 said:
Also good for getting into nightclubs and things if the bouncers think your too young. I'm almost 30 myself, but I imagine for younger people it would be a good thing.

You can already get ID for getting into pubs/clubs and it's a lot cheaper than state sponsered ID cards.

Craig1981 said:
Thats just one benefit I could think of on the fly. I'm sure there would be others.

The only benefits I can think of is it increases the states intrusion into your life and also makes a shed load of money for the companys that rpoduce the cards.

Glaucus · 22 Feb 2011 at 16:16

Craig1981 said:
Well they would have some practical benefits, like stopping underage kids buying booze and cigerettes (unless the shopkeeper is crooked of course, but thats a seperate debate). Also good for getting into nightclubs and things if the bouncers think your too young. I'm almost 30 myself, but I imagine for younger people it would be a good thing.

Thats just one benefit I could think of on the fly. I'm sure there would be others.

Pointless, driving licence/passport can be used for that why spend billions on a third. Nothing a smart passport can't and does achieve.

Janesy B · 22 Feb 2011 at 16:23

magick said:
The old "if you have nothing to hide.." very popular phrase during nazi germany and just about every other police state in existance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

[TW]Fox · 22 Feb 2011 at 16:25

stockhausen said:
Do you mean to say that when they introduced the Vehicle Scrappage Scheme the Government might have based it on the 2001 Census?

magick · 22 Feb 2011 at 16:25

Janesy B said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Interesting. Initialy i'd used China as an example of a police state but then edited my post to use Nazi Germany instead.

meghatronic · 22 Feb 2011 at 16:26

magick said:
They can't legaly force you to fill it in. Don't be scared by threats of £1000 fine. When the census people come round just don't disclose any information to them or sign anything and there can be no prosecution. Deal with them in the same you deal with the TV License Inspector.

I bet you're great fun.

Why object to filling in a form? I'm assuming you can read and write.

stockhausen · 22 Feb 2011 at 17:25

meghatronic said:
... Why object to filling in a form? I'm assuming you can read and write.

I'm guessing that you can't read, otherwise you would have read through the earlier posts and wouldn't need to ask

Lopéz · 22 Feb 2011 at 17:57

stockhausen said:
I'm guessing that you can't read, otherwise you would have read through the earlier posts and wouldn't need to ask

No stockhausen, it is you who cannot read.

meghatronic's question was direct at magick as far as I can tell from the quote - and magick has not given a reason for not wanting to fill in the form.

Not that there's much point in asking him mind you - the response will just be a David Icke inspired tirade about lizard men and the like.

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