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my two pence on Nasri holding out.

not my actual words but i agree 100% on this below:

We've already offered him Fabregas wages, the problem is Wenger keeps caving one little idea at a time but is somehow convinced both that Arsenal play the same way we did 6 years ago, and that every other part of the club is run the same.

Nasri has had exactly one half of a decent season, his other seasons, even missing a decent wedge with a fractured leg, are frankly pathetic, 2 goals 4 assists, and 6 goals 2 assists the season before that.

Marginally better than Hleb, and thats a pretty big insult, because Hleb was awful. We used to win stuff, we used to have Pires getting 10-16 goals a season and 5-10 assists, Hleb was 1/50th the player Pires was and Wenger took Pires off in the CL final rather than Hleb, and rightly Pires took that to mean Wenger doesn't respect him and its time to go.

Nasri is barely half the player Pires was, yet we've already offered him more than Pires was ever on, and Nasri's asking for more because, of a 10 goal season. When cesc was out and the team relied on Nasri, Nasri dissappeared completely.


We should kick him out on his arse to send a message to the squad to work harder.

I feel one of the biggest problems at Arsenal is, they're cruising, if Theo barely tries for more than 5 minutes of a game and is comftably straight back in the team whenever he's fit, wheres the motivation to improve? THe problem with Nasri, Theo, Song, Diaby, denilson/Sagna is, they don't think they need to get better, even worse, Wenger doesn't think they need to be better.

They've all stagnated, under no pressure to improve or be shown the door, they constantly turn in below par performance, put in very little effort, and their reward, is more starts.

Wenger 10 years ago had no trouble ditching Overmars, to cash in on his peak, to get in a player he regarded as better.

Now rather than sell Nasri and get someone better, we're begging him to stay and overpaying him to do so.

As I've said many many times before, Wenger is NOT the same manager, and again the problem is that he doesn't even know it. He's completely unaware of the fact that his philosophy at every level has completely changed.

He's not unwilling to replace Denilson, he doesn't think he needs replacing, he doesn't want to get someone far better than Nasri, he thinks Nasri's one of our best players.

The problem starts and stops at Wenger, I think theres 2-3 players at the club who wouldn't improve under a stricter more clinical manager who will drop and sell players who aren't good enough, it will make everyone else train harder and improve.
 
So if you've only watched Man City since they were in the third division, from what I can work out, you've only experienced one relegation (from which you bounced straight back), and two seasons in which you finished in a lower league position than the season before.

Oh aye, you've had it tough you poor dear. How did you cope?
 
At chelsea we really need a creative mid and pastore would fit the bill but £44mil! Too much. We should try getting modric or nasri.

Modric or Nasri would cost similar, with both teams very unlikely to want to sell. Modric though will probably look for a move after next season if we fail to get back into the CL.
 
Thats a bit unfair, he's one of Utd's most dangerous players at corners :p

IF we get 8mil for Denilson I'll laugh my head clean off. He did look really good before his missing year with us, then came back a absolutely useless defensive midfielder, before then he looked a (potentially)great attacking player.

Arsenal should ditch, Diaby, Denilson, Song, Sagna, Squillaci, Kos simply because they aren't good enough. Sell Nasri, Chamakh while we can get good value for them, sell Eboue, Almunia because they simply aren't getting anywhere near the number of games guys on their wage should be getting.

We should also trim the youth squad, how we still pay Randall or Hoyte money I don't know, Randall made his first appearance almost 4 years ago and has made a whole 3-4 other rubbish appearances since. Our reserves/youth are becoming as stagnant as our first team, rather than ditch the underperforming players, getting new young players in or simply saving the cash we just keep giving them contracts.

So pretty much sell the whole team then right? :p

On a serious note, I agree with most of what you said. I would keep Song, Sagna and Kos though. Kos at least for one or two more seasons.

If we can get 10m+ for Chamack, he can go too I guess. Though I think he deserves another year at least.

As for Nasri, if he wants to be paid same as Cesc, then sell him too. I am sure City would double his current wages. I am also sure City would pay us 30m+ plus for him, so for that amount, he can go to.
 
We've already offered him Fabregas wages, the problem is Wenger keeps caving one little idea at a time but is somehow convinced both that Arsenal play the same way we did 6 years ago, and that every other part of the club is run the same.

Nasri has had exactly one half of a decent season, his other seasons, even missing a decent wedge with a fractured leg, are frankly pathetic, 2 goals 4 assists, and 6 goals 2 assists the season before that.

Marginally better than Hleb, and thats a pretty big insult, because Hleb was awful. We used to win stuff, we used to have Pires getting 10-16 goals a season and 5-10 assists, Hleb was 1/50th the player Pires was and Wenger took Pires off in the CL final rather than Hleb, and rightly Pires took that to mean Wenger doesn't respect him and its time to go.

Nasri is barely half the player Pires was, yet we've already offered him more than Pires was ever on, and Nasri's asking for more because, of a 10 goal season. When cesc was out and the team relied on Nasri, Nasri dissappeared completely.


We should kick him out on his arse to send a message to the squad to work harder.

I feel one of the biggest problems at Arsenal is, they're cruising, if Theo barely tries for more than 5 minutes of a game and is comftably straight back in the team whenever he's fit, wheres the motivation to improve? THe problem with Nasri, Theo, Song, Diaby, denilson/Sagna is, they don't think they need to get better, even worse, Wenger doesn't think they need to be better.

They've all stagnated, under no pressure to improve or be shown the door, they constantly turn in below par performance, put in very little effort, and their reward, is more starts.

Wenger 10 years ago had no trouble ditching Overmars, to cash in on his peak, to get in a player he regarded as better.

Now rather than sell Nasri and get someone better, we're begging him to stay and overpaying him to do so.

As I've said many many times before, Wenger is NOT the same manager, and again the problem is that he doesn't even know it. He's completely unaware of the fact that his philosophy at every level has completely changed.

He's not unwilling to replace Denilson, he doesn't think he needs replacing, he doesn't want to get someone far better than Nasri, he thinks Nasri's one of our best players.

The problem starts and stops at Wenger, I think theres 2-3 players at the club who wouldn't improve under a stricter more clinical manager who will drop and sell players who aren't good enough, it will make everyone else train harder and improve.

Totaly agreed and people wonder why some fans want wenger sacked.
 
So if you've only watched Man City since they were in the third division, from what I can work out, you've only experienced one relegation (from which you bounced straight back), and two seasons in which you finished in a lower league position than the season before.

Oh aye, you've had it tough you poor dear. How did you cope?
Yeh because after we got out of the third division we won loads of trophies and beat the likes of utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool on a regular basis.

Did i ever say i had it tough? I said i was proud to be a City fan because i had continued supporting City even though we were in the low leagues and had stuck with them through getting promoted to the Premier League.
 
Modric or Nasri would cost similar, with both teams very unlikely to want to sell. Modric though will probably look for a move after next season if we fail to get back into the CL.

Modric and Nasri would cost £44m? :eek:

Neither are worth half that and with Nasri's contract situation, Arsenal might be willing to do a deal too.
 
Modric and Nasri would cost £44m? :eek:

Neither are worth half that and with Nasri's contract situation, Arsenal might be willing to do a deal too.

I couldn't see us letting Modric go for much less than £40m this season unless he asked to leave. He's our record transfer, is by far our best player, and we've been known to take Utd to the cleaners. :p

As for Nasri, he strikes me as Fabregas's replacement, and Arsenal aren't exactly a selling club when it comes to important players.
 
Modric or Nasri would cost similar, with both teams very unlikely to want to sell. Modric though will probably look for a move after next season if we fail to get back into the CL.

Doubt you would pay more than 25mil for Modric.

Who is this Paswhateveryoumacallhimbloke people are banging on about for Chelski?

Must admit beyond British players these days I rarely know about the up and comers (unless they do well in a World Cup)
 
Yeh because after we got out of the third division we won loads of trophies and beat the likes of utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool on a regular basis.

Did i ever say i had it tough? I said i was proud to be a City fan because i had continued supporting City even though we were in the low leagues and had stuck with them through getting promoted to the Premier League.
You know there's football outside of beating Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool, right? And just winning trophies? Or should I presume that your elders taught you to sufficiently disregard the lower divisions as below you to the extent that winning all the time down there and getting promoted wasn't seen as any kind of achievement.

I get that Man City have definitely been through a lot more than a lot of equivalent Premier League clubs in the top half, but my point was just that almost everything you've seen of it has been when they've been on this massive upward curve. So I really don't get how you've seen them be "awful", win nothing and have "terrible players".
 
You know there's football outside of beating Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool, right? And just winning trophies? Or should I presume that your elders taught you to sufficiently disregard the lower divisions as below you to the extent that winning all the time down there and getting promoted wasn't seen as any kind of achievement.

I get that Man City have definitely been through a lot more than a lot of equivalent Premier League clubs in the top half, but my point was just that almost everything you've seen of it has been when they've been on this massive upward curve. So I really don't get how you've seen them be "awful", win nothing and have "terrible players".

It's comparitive, watching league 1/2/championship football can be considered awful football with terrible football if you are used too/regularly watch premiership football. I'm sure Leeds fans won't be singing about the glory days in League 1 anytime soon.
 
Also, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet, but maybe it just passed them by like it did me:

The Beeb said:
Real Madrid director general Jorge Valdano has been sacked after a board meeting at the Bernabeu stadium.

"We have decided to end the contractual relationship with Jorge Valdano," said Real president Florentino Perez.

Valdano's removal is part of a Real reorganisation that strengthens Jose Mourinho's position at the Madrid club.

The pair fell out after Valdano queried Mourinho's request for another striker as cover for the injured Gonzalo Higuain earlier in the season.

"The experience of this just completed season demonstrated a need for more autonomy, including within the coaching unit," said Perez.

"Mourinho demanded an autonomy on the sporting side like that which works with English clubs. I think for the sake of the institution that this is a reorganisation that has to be done.

"We signed the best coach in the world, so we want to be sure that even when he leaves one day and we sign another of the world's best, the structure is there."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13553663.stm

So essentially, Real Madrid's age old "we buy the players, you fit them in the team" style of club management has now completely disappeared. Mourinho now has full control over who he signs and who he lets go. Interesting times ahead.
 
Getting bothered about the players we are getting linked with

Young, Downing, Barton, Henderson

I really was hoping that with the new ownership we would have set our sights quite a bit higher
 
I really was hoping that with the new ownership we would have set our sights quite a bit higher

What kind of players would you like? You're still quite some distance away from a 'guaranteed' Champions League spot so you can't expect anything much better than that.
 
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