new corsiar force series 3 SSD

Wow, that was quick. OcUK have 3 in stock already! Wait, unless those are the old broken ones they are still selling? Lol.
 
Great to see Corsair handle it so well and provide the service. If I hadn't already ordered another SSD I would have picked one up- just didn't think the problem would be fixed so quickly. Don't worry though, my new build will have 2-3 Corsair products in it anyway ;)
 
Seems even the replacement drives are dodgy. People are still having issues with the new one :(

Here is a quote from yellowbeard that made me laugh:

Are you using a cable that is marked SATA3 or SATA3/6Gb or SATA 6Gb?
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Should all that not be tested by corsair? It should worked with all sata cable's should it not?

I still like corsair products, but I think they have dropped the ball with this sandforce stuff. Not only are they late releasing these products compared with OCZ, but they are released without proper testing. Then people end up with headaches and time without the their brand new ssd's with no compensation.

I am out of space on my ssd and decided a 128GB M4 is the best way to go. Really wanted to wait for the Force GT, but that is taking forever, at least they should have released a price and eta by now. But with all the problems with Force 3, don't blame them for not rushing it out.

If in a few months it comes out and there are plenty reviews showing it to be a really good drive, then I might still sell the M4 and get it. Might as well let the others do the beta testing for a few months and then buy after :p
 
TNA said:
Here is a quote from yellowbeard that made me laugh:

Should all that not be tested by corsair? It should worked with all sata cable's should it not?
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:confused:Why would that make you laugh? :confused:

You may want to do some reading. Cables can cause the issues we are seeing. On paper, the current SATA2/3Gb cables and SATA3/6Gb cables have the same standards. However, the problem is that there are a LOT of cheepo cables out there don't fully comform to the standard. It costs money to do that and I can assure that a $3 cable is just that.....a $3 cable.

The trick is that a SATA2/3Gb drive will not push the bandwidth to a high enough point to see if a cable is perhaps a bit below standards. However, a SATA3/6Gb drive can and will reveal a substandard cable. I've thrown away about 5-6 cables over the past few months just for this reason.

Pay attention to newer MOBOs with SATA3/6Gb controllers on them. The MOBO makers are bundling these cables that are marked to show that they are for the SATA3/6Gb controller. Ideally this means they have been manufactured better than the average junk cables you find.

And no, we're not in the business of testing SATA cables. But we do suggest using high quality cables with SATA3 SSDs.
 
TNA said:
Here is a quote from yellowbeard that made me laugh:

Should all that not be tested by corsair? It should worked with all sata cable's should it not?
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Just an FYI for ya from the Anandtech Forums:

PingSpike said:
So I never did the suggested thing for the marvel controller because
1) I actually don't have a marvel controller (brain fart on my part) just 6gbps SATA intel ports.
2) The issues went away when I switched SATA ports from port 2 to port 1 and replaced the SATA cable with the one that came with the SSD.

I replaced the cable because a saw a few google discussions where people had similar problems and reported replacing the cable fixed it. I did not actually expect that to work because in my experience...its almost never the cable. But you always try because its an easy fix. I guess it was the cable. Maybe its my ignorance of SATA but are there special cables for SATA2 versus 3? The cable likely worked in IDE mode because it wouldn't have been running beyond spec I guess.
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Nice to know. From what I read from quite a few places, it made no difference. Even one of the dons here who builds the systems sold on OcUK said it makes no difference.

I always thought however, if no diference, why are the cables named differently. I assumed marketing purposes.

Anyway, my apologies for laughing at your suggestion. However I will stand by and say Corsair should be testing their ssd's with other cables, if not then they should say on the packaging, must use SATA3/6Gb cable with this ssd. Unless you do so already, I don't know.

I used my SATA3/6Gb cable for my new M4 128gb. My AS SSD Benchmark went from around score of 350 on my vertex 2e to a whooping score of 650 on my new M4. Windows 7 loads a bit quicker also :D

Thanks for keeping in touch though Yellowbeard. I have purchased loads of Corsair stuff in the past and recommended them too. Nothing has changed in that regard. With high quality customer support, it would take more than one incident like this to put me off Corsair products ;)
 
TNA said:
Anyway, my apologies for laughing at your suggestion. However I will stand by and say Corsair should be testing their ssd's with other cables, if not then they should say on the packaging, must use SATA3/6Gb cable with this ssd. Unless you do so already, I don't know.
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This is quite impossible. What you are suggesting is actually a quality control issue. ALL manufacturers of cables are required to meet the specification. IF they cut corners or just simply have a bad batch, do you realize just how many different cables there are out there. Not onlythat , a huge amount of them are OEMs and are bundled with MOBOs. There is no way a maker of SSDs could try to be responsible for all of this.

Our recommendation is to use a good cable that meets specifications. It's the responsibility of the cable manufacturer to ensure that their cables meet them, not ours. The spec is the same for SATA2/3Gb and for SATA3/6Gb so, if the manufacterer of any cables does THEIR job, it's fine.
 
I understand what you are saying, however what I find strange is, why a cable works fine with a previous ssd but not a new one. What do you propose that would suggest? :)
 
Yes, but does/should saturating bandwidth = ssd will bsod/crash?

It should mean ssd cannot achieve max speed. That is what I am trying to say. This is why I am saying Corsair should be making sure their drive works on all cables (working ones). I am not suggesting Corsair should try all the cables in the world to make sure it works with their products :p
 
TNA said:
Yes, but does/should saturating bandwidth = ssd will bsod/crash?

It should mean ssd cannot achieve max speed. That is what I am trying to say. This is why I am saying Corsair should be making sure their drive works on all cables (working ones). I am not suggesting Corsair should try all the cables in the world to make sure it works with their products :p
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It's almost impossible to predict what would happen but, if you'll do some reading/Googling you'll find for yourself a LOT of different issues that have been solved by changing cables. They range from the cable speed capping the drive all the way to the other end of the spectrum to where the drive is not even detected and everything in between.

I'm sorry but I think we've exhausted the possibilities of this discussion. Corsair has proven that our drives do in fact meet spec and they operate at spec when the rest of the system is up to par. This includes the cables. Testing various cables is FAR outside the realm of our responsibility.
 
The Asgard said:
If the cable is causing problems for SSD's why not supply a cable with the product?
Just a thought.
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That may be something to consider in the future. And, from what I have seen it is a microscopic percentage in general that EVER see a cable related failure. If we include a cable, the cost will be passed on to the consumer. That is not desirable when in fact the cable manufacturers are already responsible for making sure that their own product meet the specifications that they agree to meet. However, just like with USB 3.0 cabling and terminations, SATA3 cabling will be required to more rigidly comply to the standards due to the extreme bandwidth.
 
Well I hope all goes well. I am seeing some people still reporting issues with the new drives, but this is only a few people compared with how many there was before, so it could be that they are having issues that do not relate to the ssd. We will know for sure in a few months I guess. The main thing is that you guys are doing your best to try and solve it as quick as possible :)

Wonder if Corsair have any plans making ssd's that are not sandforce, or maybe sandforce pci-e like the revo. That would be interesting. Was interested in the revo drive for a while, but because it's made by OCZ that alone was a deal breaker for me.
 
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