** Summer Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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That our transfer budget gone now then? Now its monies in to get monies out?

As with Utd, its not about cash in the bank to pay for transfers, its about having too much in wages on the books. IE get rid of Joe cole and you could buy 3x 15mil youngsters starting on 30k a week each. Utd were "cash rich" for years but didn't spend big till they removed huge wages off the books.

We can easily string £10-£15million together flogging dead wood.

In the same vein, it will have smeg all to do with actual millions, they want a club that isn't losing money every week. The problem is, Javanovic, Cole, are on silly silly money. Its not about selling them cheap, its about finding a club that will pay them even half what they are getting now, and those players deciding not to ride the bench and earning millions.

Get rid of Javanovic, Cole and Maxi and not for a whole lot of cash, and I wouldn't be surprised to see 2-3 quite expensive replacements with a couple other guys aswell.
 
That our transfer budget gone now then? Now its monies in to get monies out?

We've already spent £40-45m with only £1.5m coming back in, so I'd be surprised if spend a great deal more than what we bring back in now. Although if enough players leave (anything up to 14 could go), the savings in wages could top up what we're able to pay in transfer fees.

My gut feeling is that we've probably got to shift 4 or 5 players (Degen, Poulsen et al) just to bring the wage bill back down and that if and when we shift higher earners like Jovanovic, Cole and Aquilani we'll then be able to look at bringing in a couple more signings (most likely a LB and/or CB). Beyond that, we may bring in a young striker if Ngog goes and an outside chance of another attacking midfielder/winger if Meireles leaves.
 
In the same vein, it will have smeg all to do with actual millions, they want a club that isn't losing money every week. The problem is, Javanovic, Cole, are on silly silly money. Its not about selling them cheap, its about finding a club that will pay them even half what they are getting now, and those players deciding not to ride the bench and earning millions.

Get rid of Javanovic, Cole and Maxi and not for a whole lot of cash, and I wouldn't be surprised to see 2-3 quite expensive replacements with a couple other guys aswell.

How much are jovanovic , Cole and maxi on?
 
Jovanovic's is reportedly on ~£60k per week, Cole £90-100k and based on him being a free transfer and most likely earning decent money before we signed him, I'd guess Maxi isn't on much less than Cole.
 
Ah not too bad then, we could shift those 3, and buy two 15m players , offer both of them 90k a week and still make a saving of 50-60k a week.

We're going to find the £30m for the transfer fees down the back of the sofa?

Also, I suspect we'll keep Maxi and it's very possible that we'll have to top up Cole and possibly Jova's wages, to get them to leave.

edit: it's all of these things that make Meireles's sale a possibility. I'm sure in an ideal world we'd love to keep him but he's not going to be much more than a squad player and he's one of a few dispensable players that would command a decent transfer fee.
 
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Javanovic is said to be on more than Cole a week, instead of a big transfer fee it would seem they gave him a huge signing on bonus, but decided to make it part of his wages rather than a signing on bonus.

I've seen it mentioned that maybe that was only for one season, though theres a been a lot of talk about how he might not want to move on due to the massive wages he's on currently so its a bit hard to know without being, someone high up at Pool tbh.

Maxi, I'd guess a similar situation if thats the way Liverpool were doing signing on fee's. Thing is with free transfers is wages are generally nuts but, if 3-4 clubs get into a bidding war with the player, IE come here for free and we'll give you 80k a week, well we'll give you 90k, etc, etc.

Those three though are sucking a huge amount of cash out of the club, and while your top draw players going to city will want minimum 100k a week, honestly most of the guys Liverpool will be going for wont' be wanting 100k a week, or anything close.

Shift those three and I reckon you'd be able to basically sign 4-5 players on 40-50k a week.

Also yes, I'd agree thats one reason for Raul's possible exit, and less purely for wages, but more because you've tried to move Aquilani on and haven't been able to, and the wages need to balance out somewhere and he's one of the more saleable assets.

The really bad situation for Liverpool is if Cole, Jova and Maxi simply decide they want to sit on the bench making stupid money.

Free transfer players almost always turn out to be a major hassle, not least because they start off on a huge wage due to the free transfer, then when they get a new contract the club wants a "normal" contract and the player just see's leaving on another free as a way to get major cash. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Campbell was being offered "low" wages and ran and got himself another bumper deal at Pompie. IIRC the Campbell signing wage was circa 100k a week, something Henry and now Fabregas barely broke way way way later.
 
Firstly, as far as I know the club aren't looking to get rid of Maxi. He's a very useful player and with the Marveaux deal falling through, we could do with as many options in the wide areas as possible.

As for Jovanovic; a much to do about nothing story was started over his wages. He's on ~£60k per week and reportedly got around £3m signing on fee (which all players get whether bosmans or not). For 1 reason or another it was agreed that the £3m would be paid over the first year of his deal rather than up, resulting in the £120k per week headline figure. It's recently being reported that he's close to leaving and according to some reports, with no pay off from Liverpool.
 
Rumours that Darren Fletcher has been hit by another stomach virus and isnt on the tour. Been ordered to stay away from Carrington also

Given how the first virus a few months ago stopped him playing for a few months and obliterated his fitness, this is just exasperating Utd's need for midfielders
 
It was common knowledge that Fletcher isn't on the tour

"Darren will remain at Carrington to undergo an individualised conditioning programme given he missed a large proportion of last season," a club spokesman said.

"This will help him catch up fitness-wise to the levels of the rest of the team.

"We tried to accelerate things but we want to give him the best opportunity to be fully fit for the new season. We feel a reduction in the amount of time Darren spends travelling will help him achieve this."

That was on the 9th July
 
Firstly, as far as I know the club aren't looking to get rid of Maxi. He's a very useful player and with the Marveaux deal falling through, we could do with as many options in the wide areas as possible.

As for Jovanovic; a much to do about nothing story was started over his wages. He's on ~£60k per week and reportedly got around £3m signing on fee (which all players get whether bosmans or not). For 1 reason or another it was agreed that the £3m would be paid over the first year of his deal rather than up, resulting in the £120k per week headline figure. It's recently being reported that he's close to leaving and according to some reports, with no pay off from Liverpool.

WHy on earth wouldn't you get rid of Maxi, 1 assist and, but for 2 games against two teams on their worst performances of the season by a massive massive margin, 4 goals. He scored 3, and then 7 of his ten against brum, Newcastle, Fulham in consecutive games at the end of the season. Most were tap ins, put on a plate for him and against one team that had all but given up(and was rubbish) and one team where their best CB had just about the worst game I've seen any defender have in the premier league.


Without those 2 games he was on course for another epic failure of a season. After a pretty awful first season, an awful 90% of this season, 2 games will change your opinion on a guy on high wages who offers incredibly little to the team? Someone on 1/3rd his wages is likely to be as useful, yet theres potential for a cheaper/younger player to improve, Maxi has been in a fast decline for 3 seasons, 2 games really doesn't change that.

EDIT:- On checking, only his one goal at Bolton and one of his goals at Fulham made any difference to the result, the other games he scored in Liverpool were winning or would have won without his goals, 3-0, 5-0, etc, etc, like Malouda he only scores when the team is having an easy game, of the 7 goals across the 3 games at the end of the season, only a single goal had an effect on the points. Malouda and Maxi aren't guys who change games, who win games, they just get some tap ins when the team is smashing the other side to pieces.


As for Jovanovic, I said I'm not sure, just saying whats been reported, though I wouldn't take for gospel what you're saying about signing on bonus, its unclear though if you meant every player gets a bonus, or if every player gets 3mil, the later is either horrific business, or not happening, the former, of course. Most other teams end up giving hugely higher signing on bonuses for free transfers, and 3 mil would be, afaik, massively massively above the average signing on bonus even for the majority of top players.

I generally try to keep an open mind to all sources of info, where several have said 120k a year, others have said 60k, and others have said high but not for his whole contract, but whenever its Liverpool you always automatically accept the rumour the works out best for Liverpool, always.

Someone pointed out that every single time Liverpool make a signing, you always make a post how its not really that much, its way lower, but may get X high. Its perfectly possible Jovanovic is on 60k, equally possible he's on a truly stupid wage as he was a free transfer. Frankly 60k a week for a free transfer who was expected to be first team, an international, seems low.
 
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I have to agree that Maxi is painfully bad. I've also never seen a professional footballer pussy out of a challenge as obviously, as consistently, as him.
 
Come on baz maxi was crap bar a scoring run in a few games. last season i remember his miss agaisnt chelsea more than his hatricks. Dam did i just agree with dm:) Whats the world coming too:(
 
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Come on baz maxi was crap bar a scoring run in a few games. last season i remember his miss agaisnt chelsea more than his hatricks. Dam did i just agree with dm:) Whats the world coming too:(

He's far from a spectacular player but it's even further from being crap.

He does all the simple things and he does them very well. He's not going to pick the ball up and go past people but he makes clever runs and his ball retention is excellent, as well as always putting in a shift defensively.
 
Mancini has stated on Sky that he hopes to sign Nasri before the end of the month.

Firstly you have to say that so many managers have a complete lack of class and respect for their fellow managers. I can't imagine Wenger saying this about a player who's manager had previously stated he wasn't for sale.

Secondly it wouldn't suprise me. It seemed a bit odd that Wenger and the business that is Arsenal would risk that kind of money unless they knew something we didn't. Maybe they are holding it up until we get someone else in.
 
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