** Summer Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

[Caseh]

How much are you suggesting Fabregas should go for?

Real paid Utd a huge fee for a number of reasons; firstly they're Real and are more than happy to pay crazy fees, Ronaldo was 1 of the 2 best players in the world and he'd massively improve Real as a side. Ronaldo was worth £80m to Real.

Ibrahimovic aside Barca tend not to pay big fees on players, while Fabregas is an excellent player he's not 1 of the top few players in the world nor would he massively improve Barca. Fabregas isn't worth a huge fee to Barca.

You can knock Barca as much as you like for the comments in the press but it's all meaningless. The only thing that matters and the only reason why there is any speculation is because Fabregas wants to leave.

But he is worth that huge fee to Arsenal. Surely that is the important part of this? Barcelona want him, so they pay what Arsenal deem reasonable.

It's not like they are asking for Ronaldo type fees, I think the rumoured £35-40m is reasonable for him.

 

[BaZ87]

If they value him so lowly then move along after the bid it rejected. Barca made the mistake of not valuing him enough when he was with them and they are telling everyone that he isn't worth more than £27m.

Arsenal however value him at more than £50m but are willing to let him go to his home club for a knockdown £40m. If they don't value him as highly as Arsenal do then go and find someone better.

You do realise there was nothing Barca could do to stop Arsenal signing him as a kid? Spanish clubs can't offer players pro-deals until they're 18(?).

Barca will have a limit to how much they're willing to pay for him (and with most negotiations, they won't just bid their max straight away) and Arsenal will have a limit to how low they're willing to go.

Barca know that Fabregas wants to join them and will use that to their advantage, just as Arsenal would do the same if the situation was reversed.

But he is worth that huge fee to Arsenal. Surely that is the important part of this? Barcelona want him, so they pay what Arsenal deem reasonable.

It's not like they are asking for Ronaldo type fees, I think the rumoured £35-40m is reasonable for him.

That's fine and I'm not disputing that. It's Arsenal's decision as to how much they accept for him. You can't criticise Barca for not paying more than they think he's worth though.

Nobody is forcing Arsenal to accept what Barca want and as I said in my last post, comments Barca may make in the press change nothing. The only thing that matters is that Fabregas wants to leave and Arsenal's situation would be no more comfortable had Barca players/officials said nothing.

At the end of the day, Arsenal need to decide how much a disgruntled Fabregas is worth to them and if Barca's bid matches that valuation he'll go and if it doesn't he wont. You can't criticise either party for determining how much the player is worth to them because a player is worth a different amount to different clubs.

 

[bloodline76]

You do realise there was nothing Barca could do to stop Arsenal signing him as a kid? Spanish clubs can't offer players pro-deals until they're 18(?).

Barca will have a limit to how much they're willing to pay for him (and with most negotiations, they won't just bid their max straight away) and Arsenal will have a limit to how low they're willing to go.

Barca know that Fabregas wants to join them and will use that to their advantage, just as Arsenal would do the same if the situation was reversed.


That's fine and I'm not disputing that. It's Arsenal's decision as to how much they accept for him. You can't criticise Barca for not paying more than they think he's worth though.

Nobody is forcing Arsenal to accept what Barca want and as I said in my last post, comments Barca may make in the press change nothing. The only thing that matters is that Fabregas wants to leave and Arsenal's situation would be no more comfortable had Barca players/officials said nothing.

At the end of the day, Arsenal need to decide how much a disgruntled Fabregas is worth to them and if Barca's bid matches that valuation he'll go and if it doesn't he wont. You can't criticise either party for determining how much the player is worth to them because a player is worth a different amount to different clubs.

Not this rubbish again. Barca could not stop Fab from leaving? Sorry but what a load of rubbish. If they valued him that highly then they could have convinced him to stay. They didn't and he left. Barca could not convince a fan of the team since birth to stay and play for them? I wonder why we didn't sign up Messi as well at the same time?

Plus Fabregas isn't a disgruntled player. If they don't sell him then he will play as he normally does. That is the difference between him and Nasri. I can imagine Nasri sulking about a move.

 

[Caseh]

You do realise there was nothing Barca could do to stop Arsenal signing him as a kid? Spanish clubs can't offer players pro-deals until they're 18(?).

Barca will have a limit to how much they're willing to pay for him (and with most negotiations, they won't just bid their max straight away) and Arsenal will have a limit to how low they're willing to go.

Barca know that Fabregas wants to join them and will use that to their advantage, just as Arsenal would do the same if the situation was reversed.


That's fine and I'm not disputing that. It's Arsenal's decision as to how much they accept for him. You can't criticise Barca for not paying more than they think he's worth though.

Nobody is forcing Arsenal to accept what Barca want and as I said in my last post, comments Barca may make in the press change nothing. The only thing that matters is that Fabregas wants to leave and Arsenal's situation would be no more comfortable had Barca players/officials said nothing.

At the end of the day, Arsenal need to decide how much a disgruntled Fabregas is worth to them and if Barca's bid matches that valuation he'll go and if it doesn't he wont. You can't criticise either party for determining how much the player is worth to them because a player is worth a different amount to different clubs.

I think the comments Barca have made in the press only mean nothing because Fabregas is such a good professional. I'm sure there are a lot of players out there, that would spit the dummy out as soon as there was a hint of Barca knocking.

 

[BaZ87]

Not this rubbish again. Barca could not stop Fab from leaving? Sorry but what a load of rubbish. If they valued him that highly then they could have convinced him to stay. They didn't and he left. Barca could not convince a fan of the team since birth to stay and play for them?

Plus Fabregas isn't a disgruntled player. If they don't sell him then he will play as he normally does. That is the difference between him and Nasri. I can imagine Nasri sulking about a move.

How could they convince him? They could have just asked him nicely to reject the contract at Arsenal which would have quite possibly made him a multi-millionnaire within a couple of years? It's a very brave decision for the family of a 16 year old kid (probably from a poor background) to reject such an offer on the hope they might make it at their boyhood club.

And if Fabregas isn't disgruntled then why has Wenger been questioning his commitment?

 

[BaZ87]

I think the comments Barca have made in the press only mean nothing because Fabregas is such a good professional. I'm sure there are a lot of players out there, that would spit the dummy out as soon as there was a hint of Barca knocking.

Even if Fabregas wasn't a good profession, what difference would the comments made by Barca players make? The only thing that matters is that he wants to leave and he's made it clear to Arsenal he wants to leave. A poorer professional would have still spat his dummy out if he wanted to leave.

 

[bloodline76]

How could they convince him? They could have just asked him nicely to reject the contract at Arsenal which would have quite possibly made him a multi-millionnaire within a couple of years? It's a very brave decision for the family of a 16 year old kid (probably from a poor background) to reject such an offer on the hope they might make it at their boyhood club.

And if Fabregas isn't disgruntled then why has Wenger been questioning his commitment?

Because they could have said stay with us and play for us? How do you think they keep any talented players at the club if this was the case. It's not like Barca haven't got as much money to spend on players as Arsenal.

I would never refer to Fabregas as disgruntled. He has said he wants to leave but saying he is disgruntled is a little strong. He has also said that he is happy at the club. Fab loves Arsenal and Arsenal loves Fab. He would not sulk if the deal didn't go through. He would like it if it did though. A disgruntled player would sulk about it and force Arsenals arm.

 

[BaZ87]

Because they could have said stay with us and play for us? How do you think they keep any talented players at the club if this was the case. It's not like Barca haven't got as much money to spend on players as Arsenal.

'stay with us and play for us'

Yea, that would have been enough to get most people to turn down all that money he would have been offered by Arsenal.

And you keep any talented player by tying them down to contracts, something Barca couldn't do.

edit: Barca could do nothing to stop Fabregas leaving and you can't blame Fabregas or his family for deciding to leave Barca when they did. Only a tiny % of 16 years old footballers go on to actually make it professionally and the contract that he was offered by Arsenal would have most likely set him up for life regardless of whether he made it or not.

I would never refer to Fabregas as disgruntled. He has said he wants to leave but saying he is disgruntled is a little strong. He has also said that he is happy at the club. Fab loves Arsenal and Arsenal loves Fab. He would not sulk if the deal didn't go through. He would like it if it did though. A disgruntled player would sulk about it and force Arsenals arm.

For Wenger to admit he has doubts over his commitment says a lot to me. I've previously mentioned that I couldn't see Fabregas causing any problems at Arsenal if a deal didn't go through, I don't believe that anymore.

I suppose you believe all the talk of this injury that's stopped him from playing so far in pre-season? What's the betting that if he's still at Arsenal, he won't be involved in the CL qualifiers and will be fit to play shortly after?

 

[bloodline76]

'stay with us and play for us'

Yea, that would have been enough to get most people to turn down all that money he would have been offered by Arsenal.

And you keep any talented player by tying them down to contracts, something Barca couldn't do.

For Wenger to admit he has doubts over his commitment says a lot to me. I've previously mentioned that I couldn't see Fabregas causing any problems at Arsenal if a deal didn't go through, I don't believe that anymore.

I suppose you believe all the talk of this injury that's stopped him from playing so far in pre-season? What's the betting that if he's still at Arsenal, he won't be involved in the CL qualifiers and will be fit to play shortly after?

And I suppose if he stayed and played for Barca that he would have done it all for free without earning anywhere near as much.

Explain to me why Messi stayed at the club? Why any Spanish players stay at their clubs when other teams come around asking questions.

As for Fabs injury. Wenger has already stated that he isn't injured. He said he was not matchfit for the game. It's on their official site.

 

[Number_25]

Heres one for you Arsenal fans, would you accept Joey Barton to the club?

 

[bloodline76]

Heres one for you Arsenal fans, would you accept Joey Barton to the club?

Personally no. I think he is a thug of a player. Don't like his style of play or the type of person he is.

Spurs can have him.

 

[HangTime]

Definitely no to Barton, maybe if he wasn't such a **** he's be ok on a free transfer as a reserve player but given his baggage I don't see the point bringing him into the club.

As for the Fabregas fee, the problem is Arsenal have a history of letting superstars go on the cheap (Vieira, Campbell, Henry) so Barca not having a lot of money to spend and not desperately needing him to improve their first XI won't be offering his worth.

Personally I think anything less than €45m would be a mugging given how long he has on his contract, but there do seem to be more signs that he might leave this summer (compared to previous years).

 

[Biz.Kid09]

How reliable Gazzetta is i dont know but they say that Sneijder is coming to us for circa 31m. I see it being a Tevez--Sneijder swap deal and also the 13m for Balo wiped off.

 

[atpbx]

Because they could have said stay with us and play for us? How do you think they keep any talented players at the club if this was the case. It's not like Barca haven't got as much money to spend on players as Arsenal.

I would never refer to Fabregas as disgruntled. He has said he wants to leave but saying he is disgruntled is a little strong. He has also said that he is happy at the club. Fab loves Arsenal and Arsenal loves Fab. He would not sulk if the deal didn't go through. He would like it if it did though. A disgruntled player would sulk about it and force Arsenals arm.

"Hey there fab, stay here another two years on youth terms and then you can sit on the bench for the next couple of season while we bed you into the team, ignore the English club who will pay you so much money that you will be a multi millionaire many times over by the time you are 20 regardless of if you play or not"

"Errm, ok"

?

 

[One More Solo]

Would speak volumes about Sneijder if that's the move he makes.

 

[Adrianr]

How reliable Gazzetta is i dont know but they say that Sneijder is coming to us for circa 31m. I see it being a Tevez--Sneijder swap deal and also the 13m for Balo wiped off.

Odd little fact, in the Stone island advert at the bottom I had to grow the blonde guys head by 10% in photoshop

 

[Biz.Kid09]

Odd little fact, in the Stone island advert at the bottom I had to grow the blonde guys head by 10% in photoshop

You work for Stone Island

 

[FrankJH]

Would speak volumes about Sneijder if that's the move he makes.

the problem is imo that the likes of Sneijder could make the difference to the players they already have

Admittedly Utd played badly (especially away) last season, but so far SAF hasnt signed anyone "inspirational" like Sneijder

Aguero, Sneijder, Silva, De Jong, Hart - to me thats a massive core for any team (admittedly two , if rumour is true, havent yet played in the EPL, but is there much doubt either are capable of really lighting it up?)

I have to agree that if Sneijder is so in love with Utd (reported rumour, never seen a direct quote from him), why he would sign for City is incredible......but stranger things have happened



Hopefully (if it is proven to be correct) this forces SAF into getting some kind of inspirational CM....rather than relying on the aging legs of Giggs, the inconsistant legs /ability of Anderson and the unknown quality of Cleverly (in the AM/ box to box position)

 

[Adrianr]

You work for Stone Island

Haha hellllll no! Just a retouchers who got the job.

 

[BaZ87]

And I suppose if he stayed and played for Barca that he would have done it all for free without earning anywhere near as much.

Explain to me why Messi stayed at the club? Why any Spanish players stay at their clubs when other teams come around asking questions.

As for Fabs injury. Wenger has already stated that he isn't injured. He said he was not matchfit for the game. It's on their official site.

What is it you don't understand about the fact he couldn't sign a pro-deal with Barca until he was 18(?)? It's debatable whether Fabregas is good enough to get into the Barca side now let alone when he was 16 so try to be realistic please. The contract Arsenal offered him guaranteed he'd be set up for life regardless of whether he proved he was good enough. Even if Barca wanted to give him those guarantees, they couldn't. It's simple.

As for the injury. I know Wenger's said he's not injured anymore but the reason why he's not played until now is because of this injury. I know a lot of Arsenal supporters that have serious doubts about this injury.

Except a load of money for Sanchez, a fair chunk for a right back (Alves) and a fair chunk for Villa (who wasn't getting any younger).

None of those deals are in the same league to the Ronaldo, Kaka, Zidane and Figo size deals, which is what I was getting at considering that's the type of fee Arsenal fans are hoping/expecting Barca to pay.

edit: I've heard from reliable sources that Mata's in Liverpool!