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bloodline76 said:
We aren't currently making a lose though are we. You are assuming that we are never going to play CL football again or have a good enough team to compete for anything.

Top Ten clubs 2011

Real Madrid: 438.6m euros
Barcelona: 398.1m euros
Man Utd: 349.8m euros
Bayern Munich: 323m euros
Arsenal: 274.1m euros
Chelsea: 255.9m euros
AC Milan: 235.8.m euros
Liverpool: 225.3m euros
Inter Milan 224.8m euros
Juventus: 205m euros

So everyone below the top five would surely like to be in Arsenals position as in club stability minus the obvious sugardaddy clubs
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What are you on about, that list means nothing, literally nothing, we didn't make 274.1m in profit, thats our turnover, Chelsea made a massive massive loss, but Roman pays the difference. Arsenal's board won't do that, making a loss would be bad, lose CL football and we'll almost certainly lose our top few players, but that won't make the difference in loss of CL money, and we'll need to prune and bring in cheaper players.

I'm all for that and have been for years, paying Eboue 60k a week to not play was madness, paying Denilson or Diaby any more than £200 a week to clean boots is madness. Arsenal have been peeing money down the drain for years on people Wenger won't let play, on youths who are so poor they never even make a first team appearance let alone get a run and then get sold for a half decent profit.

A team with a 100mil turnover could be making a 50mil profit, Arsenal got a new stadium to increase our turnover, which we did very well, but we put most of that new money straight into wages so we're basically in exactly the same position as before the move, but able to sustain higher wages, WITH champs league football. Without, with 30mil less a year, we can afford less good players. How many teams try and spend their way back into the top four, how many without ridiculously rich backing both make it, and don't then end up in massive debt and fighting relegation, none.

As for not currently making a loss, actually it looks like we're borderline, I believe the half yearly reports suggested we were in the situation of making like 2mil profits, or 2mil loss, I can't remember.

This is ONE of the reasons I'm so against randomly over doubling Nasri's wages, firstly, he's not good enough, secondly if he gets that money a lot of our other players will want more money, Arsenal can't afford it. Lose Cesc and throw most of the wages right back at Nasri, a player not even half as good.

Arsenal aren't doing anywhere near as well as people think financially, not helped by truly awful deals we've made for sponsorships, especially considering Arsenal's strength when we made the deal, IE, at our very peak, its pathetic. Our figures for the past 3-4 seasons have been MASSIVELY boosted by the flat sales on the old ground's land, those are essentially all gone, profit done, no more to come, hence why we've gone from anything from 60-150mil profit, to barely breaking even.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
What are you on about, that list means nothing, literally nothing, we didn't make 274.1m in profit, thats our turnover, Chelsea made a massive massive loss, but Roman pays the difference. Arsenal's board won't do that, making a loss would be bad, lose CL football and we'll almost certainly lose our top few players, but that won't make the difference in loss of CL money, and we'll need to prune and bring in cheaper players.

I'm all for that and have been for years, paying Eboue 60k a week to not play was madness, paying Denilson or Diaby any more than £200 a week to clean boots is madness. Arsenal have been peeing money down the drain for years on people Wenger won't let play, on youths who are so poor they never even make a first team appearance let alone get a run and then get sold for a half decent profit.

A team with a 100mil turnover could be making a 50mil profit, Arsenal got a new stadium to increase our turnover, which we did very well, but we put most of that new money straight into wages so we're basically in exactly the same position as before the move, but able to sustain higher wages, WITH champs league football. Without, with 30mil less a year, we can afford less good players. How many teams try and spend their way back into the top four, how many without ridiculously rich backing both make it, and don't then end up in massive debt and fighting relegation, none.

As for not currently making a loss, actually it looks like we're borderline, I believe the half yearly reports suggested we were in the situation of making like 2mil profits, or 2mil loss, I can't remember.

This is ONE of the reasons I'm so against randomly over doubling Nasri's wages, firstly, he's not good enough, secondly if he gets that money a lot of our other players will want more money, Arsenal can't afford it. Lose Cesc and throw most of the wages right back at Nasri, a player not even half as good.

Arsenal aren't doing anywhere near as well as people think financially, not helped by truly awful deals we've made for sponsorships, especially considering Arsenal's strength when we made the deal, IE, at our very peak, its pathetic. Our figures for the past 3-4 seasons have been MASSIVELY boosted by the flat sales on the old ground's land, those are essentially all gone, profit done, no more to come, hence why we've gone from anything from 60-150mil profit, to barely breaking even.
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Again you are assuming we have already missed out on CL football. Wenger has just trimmed the fat from the books by selling and loaning out the fringe players. Yet still you complain.

Where are you getting your information about Arsenals financial status? Please educate me on this financial disaster that we call a club. Link me to your source of information so I can read about it please.

Back to reality, Arsenal aren't in the league by themselves. Every team has people on the books who don't play a game and are happy to take their money. Why do you think it is any different for Arsenal? :rolleyes:

Of course we are going to have people that don't play because you can only have 11 people on the pitch at once. And despite your 'opinion' of who should play it is up to Wenger who plays.

If we did double Nasri's wages then at least we would be playing him every week and he would be earning his money. Even if you don't think he is value for that money he would still be playing.
 
J4K3 M said:
Try having Mike Ashley as your chairman :(

All Im saying :D
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You mean, loads of players on silly wages, hundreds of millions in debt, in real trouble, two very short years later now midtable in the league, a huge amount of your debt removed out of his pocket, most of the high wage earners removed, financially massively more stable and improving........

You mean, its good, I would assume so. Newcastle fans are mental, rather like Labour supporters, blaming the current people for all the problems he inherited, when they have actually been doing really well fixing them.

Denis wise wasn't great, he wasn't bad, Xisco hasn't played, other players he brought in have been very very good. Its a learning curve, other owners have come in and done FAR worse, not many non Russian/Arab owners would come in and turn around a club almost completely, in a financial sense, in such a short space of time, making the club FAR more stable and able to move on. 2 years ago the debt was dragging the team down, without Ashley, Newcastle could easily be in league 1, in administration, with not a single player they had 2 years ago left.
 
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bloodline76 said:
Again you are assuming we have already missed out on CL football. Wenger has just trimmed the fat from the books by selling and loaning out the fringe players. Yet still you complain.

Where are you getting your information about Arsenals financial status? Please educate me on this financial disaster that we call a club. Link me to your source of information so I can read about it please.

Back to reality, Arsenal aren't in the league by themselves. Every team has people on the books who don't play a game and are happy to take their money. Why do you think it is any different for Arsenal? :rolleyes:

Of course we are going to have people that don't play because you can only have 11 people on the pitch at once. And despite your 'opinion' of who should play it is up to Wenger who plays.

If we did double Nasri's wages then at least we would be playing him every week and he would be earning his money. Even if you don't think he is value for that money he would still be playing.
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No, you keep assuming I think we've already missed out, I keep saying, this is a very dangerous season where we COULD end up losing out.

As for removing fringe players, we aren't, we're not offloading players and bringing no one in, we've just brought no one in yet. Cesc has gone, thats 100k a week off the books(well around that), but we want to throw most of that at Nasri, if not Nasri, others, and theres a fairly standard increase in yearly wage in contracts these days.

Bendtner hasn't left yet, and apparently might play on Tuesday, Wenger may yet decide not to let the deal go through. I have a problem with WHO Wenger will buy, I am 100% certain we'll be buying 2 or 3 fairly expensive(in wages) players.

YOu seem to miss the point that we've moved from quite high profit, to essentially no profit, and that was still with a few minor sales on the books. Arsenal publish their financial records, I'm not guessing this, go look for them if you must. WE were basically on around 70mil in wages being spent before the move to Emirates, we're now topping out and probably going past 110mil, we've increased wage spending by basically more than 50%, while the team has gotten worse, with worse players in pretty much every single position.

I am assuming this season we have a very high chance of dropping out of the top 4, we have almost no one now in the squad in any position I consider top four quality, Vermaelen, RVP, Wilshire, Arshavin, we've got a few people improving who might be, but not yet. RVP isn't a good lone striker, a single CB who is brilliant is completely undermined by crap defenders around them, Wilshire has Song next to him.

Yes I do think we will drop out of the top 4, because, our team isn't good enough, we're in a "precarious" financial position right now, within a year WITH champs league football we could be making a 4-5mil loss, not club threatening, not good though, without champs league football that small loss would suddenly become a pretty ruddy big one, and the only real way to cut back is to cut biggest salary earners. How would we do losing RVP, Verm, Arshavin and Chamakh?
 
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drunkenmaster said:
No, you keep assuming I think we've already missed out, I keep saying, this is a very dangerous season where we COULD end up losing out.

As for removing fringe players, we aren't, we're not offloading players and bringing no one in, we've just brought no one in yet. Cesc has gone, thats 100k a week off the books(well around that), but we want to throw most of that at Nasri, if not Nasri, others, and theres a fairly standard increase in yearly wage in contracts these days.

Bendtner hasn't left yet, and apparently might play on Tuesday, Wenger may yet decide not to let the deal go through. I have a problem with WHO Wenger will buy, I am 100% certain we'll be buying 2 or 3 fairly expensive(in wages) players.

YOu seem to miss the point that we've moved from quite high profit, to essentially no profit, and that was still with a few minor sales on the books. Arsenal publish their financial records, I'm not guessing this, go look for them if you must. WE were basically on around 70mil in wages being spent before the move to Emirates, we're now topping out and probably going past 110mil, we've increased wage spending by basically more than 50%, while the team has gotten worse, with worse players in pretty much every single position.

I am assuming this season we have a very high chance of dropping out of the top 4, we have almost no one now in the squad in any position I consider top four quality, Vermaelen, RVP, Wilshire, Arshavin, we've got a few people improving who might be, but not yet. RVP isn't a good lone striker, a single CB who is brilliant is completely undermined by crap defenders around them, Wilshire has Song next to him.

Yes I do think we will drop out of the top 4, because, our team isn't good enough, we're in a "precarious" financial position right now, within a year WITH champs league football we could be making a 4-5mil loss, not club threatening, not good though, without champs league football that small loss would suddenly become a pretty ruddy big one, and the only real way to cut back is to cut biggest salary earners. How would we do losing RVP, Verm, Arshavin and Chamakh?
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I hope you are right about Bendtner. Maybe with a player like Fab gone he might step up a level. I hope he stays one more season and fights for his place.

The players I was talking about were, Fab, Nasri, Eboue, Denilson, Bendtner, Clichy all rumoured to be going or out on loan. That's probably saving about £300k per week.
 
It's easier to just use this table:

Things DM likes
Mike Ashley
Eboue
Bendtner
Ashley Young
Arshavin (I think?)

Things DM doesn't like
Liverpool/Benitez
Wenger
Song
Squillaci
Nasri

None of the top list can do any wrong, and none of the bottom list can do any right. Add to as required over the course of the thread. :p
 
Robi said:
Does this drunkenmaster kid not get bored of typing the same thousands of words to randomers who really don't care, every day?
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No, he doesn't. I use his posts as a kind of therapy. Sometimes I think I care about my football too much, but then I see how angry DM gets about it all and realise I'm nowhere near his level so I can't be that bad!!!
 
So according to reports we have a buy-back clause for Fab and a 50% sell on clause if Barca decide to off-load..
This Gazidis chap deserves the award of best negotiator in history?! And also explains why Wenger has not spent a penny in years, We are saving to buy him back! Because we all know if we bid £175m for him we get 50% of it back... That's how it works right??... Right?? :D
 
drunkenmaster said:
You mean, loads of players on silly wages, hundreds of millions in debt, in real trouble, two very short years later now midtable in the league, a huge amount of your debt removed out of his pocket, most of the high wage earners removed, financially massively more stable and improving........

You mean, its good, I would assume so. Newcastle fans are mental, rather like Labour supporters, blaming the current people for all the problems he inherited, when they have actually been doing really well fixing them.

Denis wise wasn't great, he wasn't bad, Xisco hasn't played, other players he brought in have been very very good. Its a learning curve, other owners have come in and done FAR worse, not many non Russian/Arab owners would come in and turn around a club almost completely, in a financial sense, in such a short space of time, making the club FAR more stable and able to move on. 2 years ago the debt was dragging the team down, without Ashley, Newcastle could easily be in league 1, in administration, with not a single player they had 2 years ago left.
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Generally good points apart from Dennis Wise.

That bloke was as useful as a choclate fireguard.
 
Gooner14 said:
True, but maybe when Pep Guardiola takes over at Arsenal in the next few years he'll come back...;)

Guardiola is the favourite as the next Arsenal boss according to several bookmakers!
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I don't think this is entirely unrealistic tbh. He does his rolling one year contract each season, and if the team keep on winning, he might fancy the challenge of moving to a club with a foundation in a similar style of play (albeit executed inferiorly) with the chance of more personal reward/glory, since unlike Barca there's been a lack of recent success and he won't have inherited a team with some of the worlds best players already in.
 
No1newts said:
Generally good points apart from Dennis Wise.

That bloke was as useful as a choclate fireguard.
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Didn't he switch the quite rubbish Milner, for the very good Guiteirez for a 10mil+ profit?

I don't know if its public knowledge exactly in who was behind what deal but, Bassong, Coloccini, Enrique maybe, Krul, Guthrie, then in Jan, Taylor, Nolan, Lovenkrands.

THen he brought in Xisco and Gonzales who basically haven't played at all for them.

If he was helpful, scouted, or actually did the whole deals himself, then, thats a pretty damn good list of players overall, of which most are either at the club and playing well, or have been sold for a decent-ish profit.

From what I can gather Nolan was on a fairly reasonable 40k a week and went to West Ham because they wanted to continue a similar wage and he wanted almsot 50% more.

David Rozehnal, Claudio Cacapa, Habib Beye, Alan Smith, Joey Barton and Mark Viduka are the main(or only ones Aladyce bought) of whom only two performed well at all, one was a ****, seemingly for ridiculous wages.

Souness seemingly made two good buys, Emre and Parker, and then Moore, Luque and Owen on stupid wages.


Personally I get the impression after being saddled with Alladyce, then trusting him, he loaded bad players, huge wages and further debt on the club and decided to bring in a good ex-footballer/manager to advise him, better than someone who hasn't done it before doing it himself and if most of those buys involved Wise heavily, he did the right thing to be honest.

If Wise was only responsible for Xisco and Gonzales, then he did terribly, clearly Keegan wasn't involved in Gutierez though, and I very much doubt the jan signings were done by Kinnear.

Alladyce's record and team really was completely god damned abysmal.
 
Interesting news coming from SSN...Arsenal can buy Fabregas for £35mill, they included some sort of clause into the sale...interesting stuff...perhaps Wenger is hopuing that Fabregas gets fustrated at his chances of first team football therefore wanting to come back to Arsenal...as i said interesting bit of info there.

He's also waived his £4mill loyalty bonus as well...
 
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