** Summer Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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Personally I think Charlie Adam at the 7-9million mark is a fantastic buy. Given, albeit a fantastic buy, is getting on a bit. Not all keepers can live up to VdS's retirement age.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Can't agree with any but the last part, for 6 years Arsenal have had the strongest bench of anyone in the league, we just haven't used them.

Vela doesn't show promise, he's the most clinical finisher at the club, he's a very very good player and great interplay with other players upfront. He's just not a winger, like Bendtner, or Eduardo and their quality is shown by the fact they can and have all done a job on the wing when none of them are wingers. Up front all three of those are excellent, Vela has had something like 200-300minutes average in the last 3 seasons, I don't think any of that time upfront and I'm not sure Vela has had a single start.

Our best eleven and then another 6-7 players at Arsenal have been quality until maybe 2 years ago and this season we've been ripped apart. The problem is we take 6-7 of those 15-18 players we have, and pair them up with 4-5 of our worst players, for entirely no reason anyone on earth could understand.

Wenger has been out of his mind for 6 years, its 100% clear when it started happening. Lose Pires, and Reyes and Freddie because Hleb is your new favourite? Let Gilberto, Diarra, Flamini all walk out for essentially nothing(combined we should have got 40mil for those guys), because we had the stunning combination of Denilson, Diaby and Song?

How anyone can pretend they haven't been wrong over the last 5 years I don't know, the season he utterly changed his game style, ability to keep his best players, and his judgement failed utterly is unmistakable.

Since then we've been losing 2-3 great players every season and replacing with crap, Cesc has made up for a lot of those as he is the best central mid in the world. With him gone, we're suddenly playing like the vast majority of our team isn't there anymore, but most of them left 3+ years ago.

Also why is it Arsenal take longer to buy or sell a player than any other club in the world? Every single deal without fail takes months. Half our board needs removing, Wenger needs flat out firing, screw director of football or a board position for him. The guys who sit down and do the negotiating all need firing, the medical staff and physio's all need firing.

People also like this "look who Arsenal have had to play against" routine. Utd don't massively outspend us, they do, but not insanely, City do, they've only been in the top four, for a month, City's spending hasn't effected Arsenal in the slightest until the last year at most, what about the last 6 years, City have HELPED us make silly profit on players, nothing more or less. Chelsea are the only team who came out of no where with money, we managed to win a title after they got money, Utd spending 50mil less on wages than Chelsea managed to win most of the titles since Chelsea got their money.

Chelsea and City being rich is a pathetic excuse, if Utd can beat Chelsea and City on 30-50mil less wages, why can't we get close to Utd who are FAR closer to our level of spending?
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Disagree. Vela shows promise. When he has been given a chance up front whether it be a rare start or from the bench he hasn't taken his chances as well as you say. Same with Bendtner. Bendtner I prefer of the two.

So you solution is basically fire everyone from the manager upwards :rolleyes:

I think I would agree the medical staff need firing though. We have had injury after injury since moving to Emirates. Can't be a coincident. Normally plays get an injury and then recover. Arsenal players get the same injury and are virtually out for the season.
 
I don't even know if dm has a brain, because a normal human brain processes information in a way that is so foreign to what dm types out, that I can't help but feel he's either got a touch of the retards, or he has no brain.

"Vela doesn't show promise, he's the most clinical finisher at the club, he's a very very good player and great interplay with other players upfront"

I just can't grasp how somebody could come to that conclusion about a player who literally only has one type of finish and is totally and utterly anonymous in any situation outside of a CC game vs a lower league team. Vela is so far away from being in a starting XI it's weird that he's still even at the club. He has got worse over his time here imo.
 
Has the stadium debt been paid off by Arsenal now?

Assuming it has, can Arsenal fans not commend Arsene for keeping them in the CL throughout the time that they effectively paid for a new stadium that will allow them to build over many years to come?

I do understand that given ticket prices, the lack of silverware might be grating for gooners, however last season Arsenal mounted a strong challenge and they did the season before. They have been in the CL every season that Wenger has been there. Man City failed with unlimited cash, Liverpool dropped out despite splashing the cash.

If the club is still challenging (as it genuinely is) and is successfully reducing the mortgage of a stadium, I think that is a good position to be in.

Yes Arsene has not made brilliant signing but on the opposite side, the club mounts a strong challenge season after season whilst at the same time paying off debts. How can that be going wrong?

Wenger seems to pride value for money- he refuses to pay inflation for hype. He buys 7 out of 10 players and makes them play at around 8.

I cannot stand Wenger and his bollocky press conferences but I have the uttmost respect for the position Arsenal FC is in- guaranteed CL football, reducing debts, stylish football and a manager who actually improves the players he has rather than buying better.

Please contrast that with the wreckage that is Redknapp. He has no tactical awareness, he has no coaching ability and he spends money as if it is everlasting. Then he blames it on his players. The guy is a muppet. If anything, Arsenal should look at Spurs for how wrong throwing money at the problem is.
 
We haven't paid off the stadium debt fully but iirc we have paid off the high risk, short term loans in the last year or two, so all that's left is a very stable, easily affordable long term loan.

In other words, we have cash. We should have concluded our business by now, not getting ready to start it.

Also, Arsenal fans will give Arsene all the credit in the world for the last 10 years or whatever, he's been absolutely great, but he's not in a position where he can't be criticised, nobody is, and literally any manager in the world deserves enormous criticism for what has happened at Arsenal this summer.
 
jakeke said:
We haven't paid off the stadium debt fully but iirc we have paid off the high risk, short term loans in the last year or two, so all that's left is a very stable, easily affordable long term loan.

In other words, we have cash. We should have concluded our business by now, not getting ready to start it.

Also, Arsenal fans will give Arsene all the credit in the world for the last 10 years or whatever, he's been absolutely great, but he's not in a position where he can't be criticised, nobody is, and literally any manager in the world deserves enormous criticism for what has happened at Arsenal this summer.
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Absolutely- I think what Arsene has done is incredibly brave.

No manager is perfect (Mourinho has been disgusting recently) and they all make mistakes and have flaws- Wenger has stuck aroudn and his mistakes are in full site.

Too often Teflon managers flit from one job to to another so that blame can never be solely attributed to them "it was xxx legacy". Wenger has stayed and taken responsibility - he has made mistakes but it would be foolish to expect otherwise. He remains an elite manager who would be very difficult to replace.

If I were to list the pros and cons of wenger it would be:

Pro: Tactically smart, teams play good football, can improve the players he has, can spot a gem, doesnt feel the need to splash the cash, horrifically partisan towards Arsenal

Con: Lacks confidence with transfers, favouritism, horrifically partisan towards Arsenal ( :) )
 
Snax said:
I do understand that given ticket prices, the lack of silverware might be grating for gooners, however last season Arsenal mounted a strong challenge and they did the season before. They have been in the CL every season that Wenger has been there. Man City failed with unlimited cash, Liverpool dropped out despite splashing the cash.
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For some, my dad included, its not even about the silverware. Its the umpteenth season on the trot (with the exception of one season after the Emirates move) that his season ticket has gone up and yet there has been no significant investment in the team. Its a bit like rail ticket prices, they continually go up but the service gets more and more ****.
 
Spawn said:
Couldnt have said it any better...now im reading that Chelsea is going to make a £30mill bid for Mata along with a £30mill bid for Modric, a player who we have been linked with this summer...its completely and utterly ridiculous that Wenger says he will spend £40mill+ on a player but wants to make sure hes the right one:confused:...i mean seriously WTF is Wenger on exactly...incredibly narked off now with Arsenal and Wengers refusal to buy world class players.

I dont think its a case of transfer fees for Arsenal, its the wages that are causing problems ie world class players want huge wages which Arsenal steadfastly refuse to pay and thats hurting us big big time because we are losing out on players who could potentially come to us. But then at this present time, who the **** wants to play for Arsenal...we havent won jack **** in the past 6 yrs :/

Damn you Wenger get your finger out and buy some freaking players to strengthen the squad FFS!!!!!!:mad:
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So you would want Wenger to spend £30 million on modric? Chelsea are playing a different game to you, get used to it. The wage limit is set because your club doesn't have an owner that will continually bail out the debt.

Let Wenger spend loads and bring in these players on 200k per week, mercenaries chasing the billionaires round europe and in 5 years you will be whinging your club is broke and you still haven't won anything.

In 5 years the goalposts have moved on again to far higher levels, Arsenal just cannot compete with that financially. get used to it, you have had your time in the sun. You either enjoy what you have while not breaking the club or you throw money at the problem to still end up 3rd or 4th.

Or you get an owner that wants to waste money on a project that makes zero business sence.

Ok I've just taken over Arsenal, I have just given you 80 million to spend on players. Who exactly are you going to bring in?
 
dannyjo22 said:
So you would want Wenger to spend £30 million on modric? Chelsea are playing a different game to you, get used to it. The wage limit is set because your club doesn't have an owner that will continually bail out the debt.

Let Wenger spend loads and bring in these players on 200k per week, mercenaries chasing the billionaires round europe and in 5 years you will be whinging your club is broke and you still haven't won anything.

In 5 years the goalposts have moved on again to far higher levels, Arsenal just cannot compete with that financially. get used to it, you have had your time in the sun. You either enjoy what you have while not breaking the club or you throw money at the problem to still end up 3rd or 4th.

Or you get an owner that wants to waste money on a project that makes zero business sence.

Ok I've just taken over Arsenal, I have just given you 80 million to spend on players. Who exactly are you going to bring in?
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Well if hes the right person for Arsenal then yes, hell yes...your not an Arsenal fan by any stretch mate so i dont see how you can even begin to comprehend the dire state we are in...we lost our best player, our talisman to Barca...theres a damn good chance that Nasri will be leaving us soon then we have injuries on top of that. Its not looking too good but im hopeful that maybe we will start winning some games.

Dont get me wrong, im not saying get rid of Wenger, not yet but im getting to that point....i just want him to bring in some players who will enhance our squad, players like Cahill, Samba, Jagielka and Mata or other players we have been linked with in the past.
 
The biggest criticism of Wenger has to be, whilst you've had no trouble scoring tons of goals, he seemed content to allow a terrible defence and keeper go un resolved for so many years.
 
Spawn said:
Well if hes the right person for Arsenal then yes, hell yes...your not an Arsenal fan by any stretch mate so i dont see how you can even begin to comprehend the dire state we are in...we lost our best player, our talisman to Barca...theres a damn good chance that Nasri will be leaving us soon then we have injuries on top of that. Its not looking too good but im hopeful that maybe we will start winning some games.
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You are ****ing kidding me?

I'm an Everton fan, we lose our best players every year to some team flashing the cash and will probably lose another this year. Lets not even compare injured players over the last few years, we have to pedal out kids from the local junior school every year when we get decimated with injuries :D

I laugh when Arsenal fans moan about not signing world class players then talk of Phil Jagielka. If his body stands up to the number of games Arsenal play per year I will be in total shock. He's a decent player but not worth anything like the figures Everton are asking and wenger knows it. Who will fill in for the 25 games per year he will miss for you?

You are not making enough money to inflate the wage past a set limit, how do you go about signing these world class players without taking the wages spiralling out of control.

You can't. Sadly throwing 20 million+ at a few players isn't the end of the spiralling wages. Look how long it took adebayor to want parity with Henry. You can do that if you have some Arab or Russian who just doesn't care. You don't, so get used to have your best players poached by richer clubs just like the rest of us poor teams that your team has poached for so long. The cost has moved on and you are out of the game.

Welcome to having your season over by xmas ;)
 
Snax said:
Has the stadium debt been paid off by Arsenal now?

Assuming it has, can Arsenal fans not commend Arsene for keeping them in the CL throughout the time that they effectively paid for a new stadium that will allow them to build over many years to come?

I do understand that given ticket prices, the lack of silverware might be grating for gooners, however last season Arsenal mounted a strong challenge and they did the season before. They have been in the CL every season that Wenger has been there. Man City failed with unlimited cash, Liverpool dropped out despite splashing the cash.

If the club is still challenging (as it genuinely is) and is successfully reducing the mortgage of a stadium, I think that is a good position to be in.

Yes Arsene has not made brilliant signing but on the opposite side, the club mounts a strong challenge season after season whilst at the same time paying off debts. How can that be going wrong?

Wenger seems to pride value for money- he refuses to pay inflation for hype. He buys 7 out of 10 players and makes them play at around 8.

I cannot stand Wenger and his bollocky press conferences but I have the uttmost respect for the position Arsenal FC is in- guaranteed CL football, reducing debts, stylish football and a manager who actually improves the players he has rather than buying better.

Please contrast that with the wreckage that is Redknapp. He has no tactical awareness, he has no coaching ability and he spends money as if it is everlasting. Then he blames it on his players. The guy is a muppet. If anything, Arsenal should look at Spurs for how wrong throwing money at the problem is.
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Yes no one will disagree (Except DM :p) that Wenger has done a brilliant job. We understood that with a new stadium comes certain restraints on transfers, despite the board always saying that it wouldn't.

But the annoying fact is that we know he has X amount of money to spend on the team for the first time in ages. And he is lingering on whether to sign anyone or not. We have got rid of some top quality players (and Eboue) but haven't replaced them with anyone and we obviously need to.

I still rate Wenger and want him to be the manager but I am questioning his transfer activity and reasoning behind the value for money and the worth to the team to compete on equal terms with the top 4.
 
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