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AMD Bulldozer Finally!

You simply cannot compare 480 and bulldozer. 480 had some failings, but the part did not fail to deliver on performance, it had side issues - heat, yield (480 not 512 cores to start with) but it did bang out the performance, didnt crash systems, was faster than the previous gen (without a doubt)

Bulldozer is a very sorry state of affairs.
 
chaotic_uk said:
that maybe but most reviews state it does not perform as good as the phenom II , but from what i have read this is not the case . i will admit it does not perform like AMD said it does :( , what does it perform like in games (not benchmarks)
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It doesn't perform as well as Phenom II though?
Clock for clock it's well lower, hence why the 1100T is beating the 8150 in games.

The FX4 would get crushed by the Phenom II 970 for example.
 
It is has been said that BD is only good for multi threaded tasks such as encoding video.
Well i have to disagree with that.
It sucks at encoding as well.

As a test i encoded a dvd to mkv using handbrake.
I left the settings at default apart from the quality level which i set to rf15

My 2600K running at 4.6Ghz finished the encode in 12 minutes
The BD 8150 also running at 4.6Ghz finish the encode in 22 minutes.
I then ran the same job on a 1090t at 4.0Ghz and it finished in 15 minutes.

Now reducing the quality level down to the default of rf20 helped the BD somewhat.
It finished in 12 minutes and the 2600K in 10 minutes.
I guess at the defaulty quality level the amount of CPU time required is a lot less and a greater proportion of the encode time is spent reading/writing files.

A massive performance gulf opened up between the 2600K and the BD 8150 as the quality level/complexity of the encode was increased.
 
chaotic_uk said:
that maybe but most reviews state it does not perform as good as the phenom II , but from what i have read this is not the case . i will admit it does not perform like AMD said it does :( , what does it perform like in games (not benchmarks)
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i've already shown BD 8x performs the same as a phenom II 6x in encoding clock for clock

yes we know phenom II 6x can clock to 4-4.2ghz and the BD 8x can clock to 4.5ghz+ which would make it slightly faster in encoding over phenom II 6x but in everything else such as gaming ect BD 8x at 4.5ghz = a phenom II 6x at 4ghz...
 
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gareth170 said:
i've already shown BD 8x performs the same as a phenom II 6x in encoding clock for clock

yes we know phenom II 6x can clock to 4-4.2ghz and the BD 8x can clock to 4.5ghz+ which would make it slightly faster in encoding over phenom II 6x but in everything else such as gaming ect BD 8x at 4.5ghz = a phenom II 6x at 4ghz...
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You showed it takes the same clock and 2 more cores.
 
I know this isn't the place, nowhere is really but I know there was a lot of talk about DSR here, maybe you can help. I hope you can.


I ordered a new X58 setup from the OcUK clearance section, cpu, mobo and ram.

The cpu arrived with TIM on it and the mobo had no I/O shield (that was sortof expected)

I contacted OcUK to arrange a return under DSR but they've told me that because the items were sent to my business address (which is the only place I can take delivery during the week) that I'm not eligible for DSR.

Is there some way I can return this stuff? I've ordered an sandy setup (new this time) which will be arriving soon and I can't endup with 2 setups.

Can I return it all because the chip was mis-sold? There's thermal grease on it.

I'm freaking out, this bill is going to be insane.

What can I do?

My build log is here: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18333191
It describles what I received and the following attempts at returns.

Thank you for your time.

(ps I have contacted the customer services but I'm getting nowhere...starting to think I'm screwed)
 
If they are taking that stance then it may be difficult to get them to budge without outside help, best I can suggest is don't use your work address and give them that excuse in the future.

Try contacting CAB and see what they say.
 
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Being sent to work should make no difference as they have a right to send back goods as well, if not arrived in expected conditions, unused in this case.
If the goods come as expected condition unused, then you have no claim to sending it back from a business unlike when its delivered to your home, even if there is nothing wrong in any way you can send it back from home.

The only thing if you bought it B Grade.

If something is being sold as new unused, it does not make any difference if it work or home, it can be sent back.
 
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Try contacting CAB they should be able to give you some good advice.

I was just going by DSR saying that business to business transactions are exempt, but if you bought it with a personal credit card you should have enough evidence that it was a private sale but it's all about twisting OCUK's arm.
 
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mmj_uk said:
Try contacting CAB they should be able to give you some good advice.

I was just going by DSR saying that business to business transactions are exempt, but if you bought it with a personal credit card you should have enough evidence that it was a private sale but it's all about twisting OCUK's arm.
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Yes business to business transactions are exempt, but it does not say business to business are exempt from expecting or have a right to unused goods.
 
Rather than getting angry and contacting CAB. Try emaling OCUK and see what they say. Use your powers of persuasion. You will be surprised what can be achieved with the power of words.

Ass mmj suggested, state that the items were bought from a personal/private credit card. And make it clear that this is not a business purchase.

If that doesn't work try calling them again and see if you can get somewhere. Don't bother making threats as that will not help you at all. It will make the matter worse (for you).

Any way, good luck dude.

EDIT: You used a business card. Like you said...you are snookered. NO DSR on business purchases.
 
Final8y said:
Yes business to business transactions are exempt, but it does not say business to business are exempt from expecting or have a right to unused goods.
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This is true. You will be entitled to a "new" replacement if nothing else. I wouldn't want a second hand pair of underpants and Bulldozers are also generally regarded as pants:).

edit: and if they cannot replace the part within a sufficient time period (for example if they are out of stock) you are entitled to a refund.
 
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Final8y said:
Yes business to business transactions are exempt, but it does not say business to business are exempt from expecting or have a right to unused goods.
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My understanding (and I could be wrong), is that no consumer has the absolute right to return an item. Once the item is purchased, the retailer does not have to take back the item.

Obviously, larger companies allow returns.

The above does not apply to DSR and also in cases where items were broken/faulty/not as advertised.
 
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