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Spurs did spend poorly, funnily enough at a time when Camoli was around. We were trying to buy British like Liverpool are now and most turned out to be flops.
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Spurs did spend poorly, funnily enough at a time when Camoli was around. We were trying to buy British like Liverpool are now and most turned out to be flops.
Not looking to derail the thread but I reckon you could get a Modric for £16.5m with a good scouting network, if you think back over all the great players we've seen in the Prem a lot of them cost less than that.
Back on topic I watched the last half an hour of the RM game, was very entertaining, I still maintain Higuain is the best finisher I've seen this season.
Back on topic I watched the last half an hour of the RM game, was very entertaining, I still maintain Higuain is the best finisher I've seen this season.
Those 3 and Bale = Torres - think we got the better deal.
You at the DW cheets? That weather can't have been nice, glad it wasn't like that on the weekend.
I was this close to a smug "told you so" as well. Gutted.Last min Bristol City goal!
I assume Spurs won't slip up...
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Berbatov and Modric were already known top quality players, how much credit do you give for spending £27m on good players?
To be fair he bought some excellent foreign players but for every £11m Berbatov there was a £16m Bent, for every £16m Modric there was a £17m Bentley, for every £4m Ekotto there was a £9m Hutton.
His record with British players is woeful.... if I was a Liverpool fan that wouldn't be filling me with confidence right now??
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I wish people would stop banging the money spent drum, sometimes you get good deals, sometimes bad. Spurs have spent but, realistically have always spent within their means and not in a way that Chelsea/City have. Also while spending their wages have been compared to the usual top four, hugely lower, though I would think they are closing on Arsenal. Though the way Arsenal hand out deals to awful players, maybe not. I would think Spurs are extending the gap in wages to the teams below them though.
Liverpool were cack tonight, what so many teams in the past 2-3 years have started doing, having no trouble getting to the final third, but really out of idea's before the game starts. For all the possession I never got the feeling they would score.
Conversely City had crap possession, looked almost inept getting to the final third, but once there it felt like they could score quite easily.
I wouldn't put the retaining of possession or City being crap on how "good" LIverpool were either, because City have done that for 3-4 game on the trot, against all types of opposition. Silva has been crap, the team just isn't really gelling or holding possession and my god was Barry horrific tonight. Passed to Liverpool more than City, or at least it seemed. Defensively awful, offensively awful, simple passes to constant fouling.
Mancini did exactly what Wenger did, when the incredibly obvious, required substitution was Barry, he did something stupid and Barry got sent off. While his first yellow was soft as crap he was catching people all night, was having a shocker and despite being on a yellow consistently did stupid fouls. He needed to go both for being the worst player on the pitch and for being almost a dead cert to get sent off.
I can't fathom how Wenger didn't take Djourou off or Mancini didn't take Barry off, absolutely ridiculous decisions.
Liverpool were cack tonight, what so many teams in the past 2-3 years have started doing, having no trouble getting to the final third, but really out of idea's before the game starts. For all the possession I never got the feeling they would score.
Conversely City had crap possession, looked almost inept getting to the final third, but once there it felt like they could score quite easily.
I wouldn't put the retaining of possession or City being crap on how "good" LIverpool were either, because City have done that for 3-4 game on the trot, against all types of opposition. Silva has been crap, the team just isn't really gelling or holding possession and my god was Barry horrific tonight. Passed to Liverpool more than City, or at least it seemed. Defensively awful, offensively awful, simple passes to constant fouling.
Mancini did exactly what Wenger did, when the incredibly obvious, required substitution was Barry, he did something stupid and Barry got sent off. While his first yellow was soft as crap he was catching people all night, was having a shocker and despite being on a yellow consistently did stupid fouls. He needed to go both for being the worst player on the pitch and for being almost a dead cert to get sent off.
I can't fathom how Wenger didn't take Djourou off or Mancini didn't take Barry off, absolutely ridiculous decisions.
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While Bentley is, meh, he would almost certainly have done better with a better run of games, but most people saw that for a joke buy before it happened.
Bent however was fine for Spurs, the only reason he didn't score more was he didn't play more.
11 starts, 6 goals in his first year, 21 starts, 12 goals in his second year. If you play bent consistently he WILL get goals and 16mil was still a good price for him, think you also got a pretty decent price when you sold him. The only problem there was a manager who didn't want to play him.
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There was a "reason" they weren't played every game...
Spending £27m on players that have been sold or received offers totalling £70m deserves some credit, surely?
Like with anybody else, he's had his success and failures but would it be fair to say that the gain (financial + football) you've made on Berbatov, Modric, Bale etc, more than makes up for any losses on Bent, Hutton etc?
Out of interest, how many of your first team squad now were brought in during Comolli's time at Spurs?
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I've already said he bought some excellent foreign players, it's his British players that leave a lot to be desired. How much of your kitty did he spend on British players?
About 10 I reckon?
I wasn't questioning what you said. It just seems a fair few people put him down as a failure during his time at Spurs and wondered your opinion. Looking from the outside, on the whole he seemed to do well. The criticism he gets seems to stem from the fact the team didn't do as well as they are now but ultimately his job was to recruit players, not manage the side. Obviously there's his relationship with the managers to take into account too.
We've spent £75-80m on British players. It's clear we've paid a premium on at least 2 of the players we've signed but some of that has to be put down to new owners coming in and the Torres sale. For as poorly as some say we've spent, we've seemed to come an awful long way from a year ago.
How big a say Comolli has is unclear too. Although there's nothing to suggest that Dalglish has or will impose his power, I'm pretty certain that at least the signings of Adam and Henderson were instigated by Dalglish.
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The team isn't gelling?? and the team isn't holding possession?
This has to be a joke?
50+ goals and performances like Spurs, utd, Norwich and so on and go back to games before Christmas and we demolished teams in the possession stats. Against stoke we did something like 930 passes for example. Not far off against spurs etc also.
It wasn't incredibly stupid to not take off Barry because Barry doesn't after a yellow card to do any rash challenges and this is true because it wasn't a bad challenge but the refs are that inept these days he got sent off.
Without Barry we are half the team we are with him. Hard to say whos more important between him and Yaya.
The team isn't gelling?? and the team isn't holding possession?
This has to be a joke?
50+ goals and performances like Spurs, utd, Norwich and so on and go back to games before Christmas and we demolished teams in the possession stats. Against stoke we did something like 930 passes for example. Not far off against spurs etc also.
It wasn't incredibly stupid to not take off Barry because Barry doesn't after a yellow card to do any rash challenges and this is true because it wasn't a bad challenge but the refs are that inept these days he got sent off.
Without Barry we are half the team we are with him. Hard to say whos more important between him and Yaya.
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Well the usual thing with you Biz, is selective reading/comprehension.
I said, specifically City over the past 4-5 games, and they HAVE failed to dominate games.
I'll point out that in the past 6 games, you've lost 2, drawn 1 and won 3, how does that compare to early season form, night and day basically.
Yes, City have in multiple games recently started off strongly and really backed off out of the game. You had something like 35% possession in the second half tonight, and it was obvious from watching. City's possession in the Liverpool half was abysmal tonight and it has been the same way in the past few games.
As for not being stupid to take Barry off, the foul he did was utterly stupid, there was no need at all in any way to step into the Pool player, the ball was gone and because the the angle he came in at and the fact the ball had gone, it was a very blatant foul to stop someone going forward.
It was also maybe the 3rd/4th foul he'd done since the yellow card, and he'd gotten away with other things before then.
This again ignores the fact that he was utterly terrible and by far the worst player on the pitch, so yes, utterly stupid not to take him off, very obvious he was getting insanely close to a red card so no idea what you are talking about.
Someone who is on a yellow with a bunch of fouls, won't step into a player with zero chance of getting near the ball.
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Most british players are overpriced and overhyped imo
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Considering Barry committed 5 of the 13 fouls City conceded yesterday, and most of them were preventing counter attacks, I would say it is no surprise he got sent off. Not sure why you think it's controversial.
*whistles*
Do I have to wait till the end of the season before Liverpool fans are ready to admit I was right about Donkey Downing and Average Adam?
Everybody in the known universe knows Carroll was and is an utter complete waste of money so I just wont go there.
Everybody in the known universe knows Carroll was and is an utter complete waste of money so I just wont go there.