Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [30th Dec 2011 - 4th Jan 2012]

There's no correlation between the success of a club and its transfer spend. There is, however, a strong correlation between the success of a club and its wage bill. Keeping hold of existing stars is as important, if not more-so, than buying new players.

I wouldn't be surprised if Spurs' wage bill is higher than Liverpool's.
 
There's no correlation between the success of a club and its transfer spend. There is, however, a strong correlation between the success of a club and its wage bill. Keeping hold of existing stars is as important, if not more-so, than buying new players.

I wouldn't be surprised if Spurs' wage bill is higher than Liverpool's.

doubtful
 
I've already said he bought some excellent foreign players, it's his British players that leave a lot to be desired. How much of your kitty did he spend on British players?

About 10 I reckon?
I think commoli was responsible for most of our great signings over the past 6 or so years. Modric, Lennon, Huddlestone, Bale, Berbatove, Benny, Dawson (?).

There also seems to be a misconception about net spend. Spurs were forced into spending when players got pilfered by Manure. Arsenal have achieved more for less on the same basis, but I don't think Spurs can be lumped with Manure, Chelsea, City or Liverpool.

Finally, Lindegaard, Frieda and Hart have been my stand out keepers. I like Hart a lot because of his athleticism. he goes into Superman mode quite a lot to save city because he is so fast off his line and can cover the goal effectively.

Why De Gea still plays is somewhat of a mystery (other than Fergie's ego). De Gea is a calamity keeper.
 
*whistles*

Put your money where you mouth is, thought not.

You are nothing but a wind up merchant

did you go to the game, ref was dodgy again and had more shots on and off target and corners, one of those days

just found one of your posts from here on red cafe

He's clearly wasted in his shelf stacking job, this 'atpbx'

I think he's the section manager of the Tesco home delivery vans.

even man united fans dislike you

lmao

Do I have to wait till the end of the season before Liverpool fans are ready to admit I was right about Donkey Downing and Average Adam?

Everybody in the known universe knows Carroll was and is an utter complete waste of money so I just wont go there.

:o
 
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Okay, for a start lets not draw parrallels between UTds loss and City's loss at the weekend.

UTD went 2-0 down in what can only be described as a home banker match against an out of form blackburn, fielding their 2nd choice keeper, with a Keane out campaign to really screw them up. (nb this isnt the first time we went 2-0 down this season either, at home or away:/).

City were 0-0 all the way through and dropped a controversial last minute goal, or otherwise would have gotten a point anyway, away from home.



Anyway on the David De Gea front, i did some digging:

I've said it half a dozens times already over the past couple of years but De Gea is the real deal, he looks to be the complete package to me,
HangTime...

2 seasons of first team football at one of the bigger clubs in one of the top two leagues in the world is not 'unproven'
SHamikebab

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18252451&highlight=skelenberg&page=239

Dont say that i didnt try to tell you that buying such a young, UNPROVEN keeper was a huge mistake for us. It was completely unnecessary. So far, in my mind he was part culpable for us going out of the CL and losing to blackburn, so whatever money we think we saved on him by buying him young, we just lost through prize money for CL progression and also could have been top of the league, if only for a day or two...

But you are right, lets get 100% behind this singing.. lo..

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18252451&highlight=skelenberg&page=239
 
I love how you've dug that out about being right about one young player which could have (and still could yet) easily go either way.

Absolutely pathetic.
Cheets' browsing = funny.
Asda Man's browsing = embarrassing.
 
It's pretty pitiful, by both fans and the media. I dread to think how far down the table we would have been without him this season. Our defence has been abysmal (mainly due to the evershifting defence, 9 different centre back pairings alone I believe?)
 
Hasn't De gea made a crapload more saves than VDS at the same point last season?

This season, well especially this season but embarrassingly so for the past 3-4 seasons one player has an epic game and he's suddenly world class, even if he has 5 crap games before and after, likewise if someone is great for 2 seasons then has one dreadful game, everyone instantly calls them crap and hounds them out of the team to their own detriment with managers joining the bandwagon(Arshavin and Berbatov, Lampard, Drogba and a good few others).

de Gea has made mistakes, ALL players, keepers included, make mistakes which cost games. One of the more crucial things in football is how few point losing mistakes you make, from what I can tell with the number of saves De Gea has made, he's doing incredibly well. Even his "bad" start to the season was several good saves followed by one or two "mistakes".

Vorm on the other hand, playing for a crap team loses far more points and has let in a lot more goals....... but he's seen as epic because the TEAM he plays for is EXPECTED to concede goals. Largely the difference is expectation rather than actual quantity of mistakes.

People really shouldn't underestimate how stupid people generally are.
 
Don't you remember the Basel goal that Evra was at fault for? Or the one that Rio was at fault for? Or Jones own goal? Clearly all De Gea's fault apparently :p
 
Szczesny for me.

Man Utd's defense has looked quite fragile this season though so its a bit unfair to throw all the blame on De Gea, although the Blackburn winner was clearly his fault for not even trying and expecting a free kick to be given.
 
Excellent piece on De Gea here;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/jan/03/david-de-gea?CMP=twt_gu

Personally for me there's no doubt that De Gea cost us against Blackburn but like I pointed out earlier in this thread how many points has Reina, Cech & Szczesny cost their teams this season? De Gea isn't alone. Mistakes were always likely to occur with a young keeper in his first season in the Premier League

What makes me laugh about Nickg though is he's always the first to go back and find quotes when it appears he's been proven correct yet when you question him on some of his classics (like the one where he claimed N'Zogbia can do everything Cleverley can and do it better and should be playing CM for us) he runs with his tail between his legs :D

Whether or not De Gea will come good I've got no idea but the general consensus is he's going to be a very good keeper so I see little point writing him off after 5 months.
 
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Been playing well away, drawn to many at home 4 draws 1 win 4 losses, Sunderland are nothing special, yeah they beat City but hardly played amazing.

LMAO yeh nothing special are they??...4-1 they spanked you:p:D...i would say they played pretty special last night against you lol.
 
Excellent piece on De Gea here;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/jan/03/david-de-gea?CMP=twt_gu

Personally for me there's no doubt that De Gea cost us against Blackburn but like I pointed out earlier in this thread how many points has Reina, Cech & Szczesny cost their teams this season? De Gea isn't alone. Mistakes were always likely to occur with a young keeper in his first season in the Premier League

I was going to tear you a new one for having a go at him for costing you points but then you went on to point out other keepers have, however the last part is completely wrong. It has NOTHING to do with young keeper in his first season. IIRC VDS made howlers last season, I seem to remember a, not quite Reina last night style but a throw his arms simple shot into the corner that he would save 999/1000 but let in that time.

Keepers make mistake, in EVERY game they ever play, some of these will cost you goals, some won't. A goal happens usually when a combination of players make mistakes, a midfielder and a couple defenders, then sometimes the keeper sometimes not, sometimes the keeper make a howler and its all his own mistake, sometimes its a striker who heads it into his own net for no apparent reason.

That is what football is, De Gea will continue to make mistakes, more this year, more next year, more in a decade. VDS made mistakes that cost you points every season, probably 4-5 times a year that cost you points and another half dozen relatively big mistakes that cost you goals, but no points.

Simple fact is that utd should have scored more than they did, and let in less, then one mistake be it from De Gea or a defender, wouldn't have effected the result.

De Gea didn't cost you points against Blackburn directly, if it was 2-0 and he let in a soft goal, it wouldn't have cost you points, he was just one of, pretty much 9 players who cost you the points in that game.
 
I can only remember the West Brom howler from VDS last season. Saying that, at 95 years old he probably should be making less mistakes :p
 
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