The Rangers Saga and Fallout Thread

Status
Not open for further replies.
fact of the matter here , anyone that thinks the removal of rangers from the spl wont have very very serious financial implications is living in a fantasy world.those that advocate the removal of both rangers and celtic from the spl and some how think this will improve the spl or not even effect it are either "at it" or a few cans short of a six pack.:)
 
Surely it's up to the SFA to now contact FIFA about this result? They argued the case should be heard in the CAS and failed so would this run the risk of opening the FC Sion saga again?

If not then the only thing I can see them do is to expel the club from the cup(s) for a season or two and maximum fine.
could open a big can of worms here, uefa is not above european law.
 
Surely it's up to the SFA to now contact FIFA about this result? They argued the case should be heard in the CAS and failed so would this run the risk of opening the FC Sion saga again?

If not then the only thing I can see them do is to expel the club from the cup(s) for a season or two and maximum fine.

The SFA, UEFA, FIFA... whoever. None are above the laws of the land. Todays ruling once again shows this.
 
fact of the matter here , anyone that thinks the removal of rangers from the spl wont have very very serious financial implications is living in a fantasy world.those that advocate the removal of both rangers and celtic from the spl and some how think this will improve the spl or not even effect it are either "at it" or a few cans short of a six pack.:)
I think the SPL is now screwed either way.
 
The SFA, UEFA, FIFA... whoever. None are above the laws of the land. Todays ruling once again shows this.
The SFA may have stepped past their remit, but FIFA's rules make it very clear that as part of their membership of the SFA that any team complies with FIFA's requirement not to take things to court. It would be viewed as a contractual breach which would be backed up in the civil courts as well.

The Associations shall impose sanctions
on any party that fails to respect this obligation and ensure that any
appeal against such sanctions shall likewise be strictly submitted to
arbitration, and not to ordinary courts of law
Unless there is a glaring ommission in the SFA membership rules, it's something that Rangers and anyone else in the league has signed up to.
 
Todays ruling had nothing to do with the SPL.
Fletch's post is about the SPL and the impact of Rangers not being in it. I think the SPL is screwed either way, the financial impact of Rangers being kicked out directly, or the fans of other teams walking away if they remain will tip many of the other clubs over the edge.
 
4.22.6 all consents or other requirements of the SPL and SFA having been obtained or
complied with so that Rangers Football Club can continue to participate in such
domestic leagues and competitions as it currently participates in.

One of the CVA conditions is that Rangers can play in the league and cup so if expelled from Scottish cup its bye bye Green & co.
More likely bye bye cva hello Newco as a worst case scenario.

I see the judge also said there was no route to goto cas another sfa failing. Regan should walk over this fiasco.
 
Cheat?

The punishment has been found to be illegal. Are the club meant to accept that?

No the punishment is not "illegal", the punishment was shown to the court not to be within the rules of the SFA and therefore shouldn't have been applied in that way. Rangers were being really silly, I don't see how putting the SFA in a position where they have to apply a stronger punishment for rule breaking is going to help the club at all.

What makes this guy immune from the thread rules? It is constant throughout the thread.

Sarcasm doesn't come across well on the internet :p
 
From the BBC


A judge has ruled that the Scottish Football Association (SFA) acted beyond its powers in imposing a year-long transfer ban on Rangers FC.

The ban was given, along with a fine of £100,000, after the club was charged with bringing the game into disrepute.

Rangers challenged the ban at the Court of Session in Edinburgh, on the grounds it was not one of the sanctions listed in the SFA's own regulations.

Lord Glennie said the ban should be reconsidered by the SFA appeal panel.

An SFA disciplinary tribunal originally imposed the fine and placed an embargo on Rangers signing senior players for 12 months in April this year.

The disrepute charge was handed down mainly over the club's failure to pay more than £13m in taxes last season.

That decision was upheld by an SFA appeals tribunal, including the judge Lord Carloway, earlier this month.

Judicial review
The club went to the Court of Session to challenge the decision on the additional transfer ban sanction in a judicial review of the tribunal decision.

Continue reading the main story

Start Quote

The sanction of suspending the registration of players is not available under the general disciplinary rules to the tribunal in respect of the alleged breach”

Richard Keen QC
Lord Glennie ruled that the SFA appeals tribunal was wrong in holding that it had the power to impose the additional sanction in the case and that in doing so they were acting outside their powers.

The judge set aside the decision and said he would send it back to the SFA appeal tribunal to look at it again in light of his decision.

He said the fact that he had found the extra penalty imposed on Rangers to be outside of the powers available did not necessarily mean the club would escape a lighter punishment.

Lord Glennie said that was a matter for the association.

The judge also rejected an argument made on behalf of the SFA that the correct venue for deciding any dispute was the Swiss-based Court of Arbitration for Sport.

Rangers counsel Richard Keen QC, the Dean of the Faculty of Advocates, told the court: "We are the victim of an unlawful sanction and we have had imposed on us a sanction that the SFA panel had no right to impose."

Mr Keen had argued that the transfer ban was outside its powers and said that under the appropriate rule a fine, suspension and expulsion were available.

Original tribunal
Aidan O'Neill QC, for the football authorities, had argued that the tribunal sought to find a sanction which would fit the breach committed.

He said it was clearly thought that the fine was "simply not enough given the mavity of the issues here".

Mr O'Neill said that if their powers of penalty were restricted to sanctions such as suspension or expulsion then suspension would have to be looked at.

He added the current sanction allowed Rangers to continue to trade and play.

Mr Keen said that if the matter was to be sent back it should go to the original tribunal to look at the question of sanction if that was considered appropriate.

After the club was placed in administration in February, senior players took substantial wage cuts.

Lord Glennie awarded the expenses of the proceedings to Rangers after saying that he took the view that the club had substantially succeeded on "the narrow point" before the court.

The decision now places Rangers on a possible collision course with football's governing bodies.

Prior to the court's decision, the world governing body Fifa said: "Fifa will ask the member association (SFA) to take action so that the club withdraws its request from the ordinary courts.

"Fifa will closely monitor the situation so that the issue is resolved as fast as possible."
 
No the punishment is not "illegal", the punishment was shown to the court not to be within the rules of the SFA and therefore shouldn't have been applied in that way. Rangers were being really silly, I don't see how putting the SFA in a position where they have to apply a stronger punishment for rule breaking is going to help the club at all.



Sarcasm doesn't come across well on the internet :p

Rangers counsel Richard Keen QC, the Dean of the Faculty of Advocates, told the court: "We are the victim of an unlawful sanction and we have had imposed on us a sanction that the SFA panel had no right to impose."

I'd say Richard Keen QC would disagree with you.
 
No the punishment is not "illegal", the punishment was shown to the court not to be within the rules of the SFA and therefore shouldn't have been applied in that way. Rangers were being really silly, I don't see how putting the SFA in a position where they have to apply a stronger punishment for rule breaking is going to help the club at all.



Rangers counsel Richard Keen QC, the Dean of the Faculty of Advocates, told the court: "We are the victim of an unlawful sanction and we have had imposed on us a sanction that the SFA panel had no right to impose."
they also cant give us a stronger punishment as it also would be illegal.:D
 
They only thing "tougher" they can do is expel Rangers from the SFA. In doing so they would kill the game in Scotland overnight. You think that is going to happen? :D
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom