The Rangers Saga and Fallout Thread

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pingwing said:
Been through this one before, Celtic used it to pay off players as they left, Rangers have used it to supplement players wages, which is much more illegal...



That was my understanding, by trying to circumvent the footballing authorities they have broken one of the main rules of competing in the league (on appealing to outside authorities when the SFA and SPL have panels to appeal decisions too). Can only assume a bigger punishment will be imposed because of this.
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Bigger punishment like what?

They have 4 options:

1) accept the club has been punished enough.

2) suspend the club from competing in the Scottish Cup.

3) suspend the clubs SFA membership - killing the club in the process and with it Scottish football.

4) expel the club from the SFA - killing the club in the process and with it Scottish football.

They do of course have an option 5. Appeal this decision and suffer further embaressment in the courts.

Tell me, which options do you think are realistic?
 
steve1873 said:
Bigger punishment like what?

They have 4 options:

1) accept the club has been punished enough.

2) suspend the club from competing in the Scottish Cup.

3) suspend the clubs SFA membership - killing the club in the process and with it Scottish football.

4) expel the club from the SFA - killing the club in the process and with it Scottish football.

They do of course have an option 5. Appeal this decision and suffer further embaressment in the courts.

Tell me, which options do you think are realistic?
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Well for the original crime of bringing the SFA into disrepute they have to at very least suspend the club from the Scottish cup, but taking the SFA to court is doing the same thing again (instead of using the SFA's arbitration process) so they will have to consider suspending or expelling the club, other wise the SFA's rules are a joke.
 
Gav said:
The punishment of Whyte wasn't severe enough. He should have bore the brunt of the punishments. It was his decisions that lead to the current state of affairs. The club wasn't responsible for his actions.
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Wrong - Whyte was the club, it was Rangers that never paid the tax, not Whyte.

Good try though.
 
steve1873 said:
Bigger punishment like what?

They have 4 options:

1) accept the club has been punished enough.

2) suspend the club from competing in the Scottish Cup.

3) suspend the clubs SFA membership - killing the club in the process and with it Scottish football.

4) expel the club from the SFA - killing the club in the process and with it Scottish football.

They do of course have an option 5. Appeal this decision and suffer further embaressment in the courts.

Tell me, which options do you think are realistic?
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1 - No they have not.

2 - They should be expelled from the SPL

3 - Are you serious????

4 - Are you serious????


Scottish football will survive without the likes of Rangers. What makes you think that Scottish football is dependant on one club?
 
Swordfish said:
1 - No they have not.

2 - They should be expelled from the SPL

3 - Are you serious????

4 - Are you serious????


Scottish football will survive without the likes of Rangers. What makes you think that Scottish football is dependant on one club?
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1) in your opinion.

2) yesterdays ruling had nothing to do with the SPL.

3) deadly serious. Where do you think the money in scottish football comes from?

4) deadly serious. Where do you think the money in scottish football comes from?
 
Metalface Mark said:
They could ignore the court decision also, the court didnt stop the current punishment.
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Of course they could, and find themselves back in court suffering yet more embaressment... And perhaps seeing the officers held in contempt of court.

What part of SFA/ FIFA rules not being above the law of the land are you not understanding?

Even at that, non existant SFA rules are even less likely to be above the law of the land.
 
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steve1873 said:
Of course they could, and find themselves back in court suffering yet more embaressment... And perhaps seeing the governors held in contempt of court.

What part of SFA/ FIFA rules not being above the law of the land are you not understanding?

Even at that, non existant SFA rules are even less likely to be above the law of the land.
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That's the reason why Sion were punished so harshly. Their court ruled in favour of them so they signed six players and the Swiss FA were going to accept until FIFA got involved and forced their hand. Rangers' only hope now is by saying nothing in articles about arbitration to CAS and that FIFA punish the SFA instead.

This is inclreasingly looking like a similar situation where the SFA's only option is to expel Rangers from the cup, meaning that Green can walk away from the deal (if that part of the deal is true). More likely option is he goes for a newco and Rangers fans blame the SFA.
 
Getting interesting now!

Green's £8.5m is a repayable loan over 20 years and not an investment in the club.

They won't specify a pence in the pound value because they don't know what it will be - the creditors have to vote on faith they might get something back on the assets.

And oh yes - the kick - Green will get the club for a knock down price if the CVA fails - D&P have stated no time for further bidding. Liquidation and asset strip - been on cards from start. This is why they want an SFA expulsion - plays into their hands.
 
Metalface Mark said:
http://rangerstaxcase.wordpress.com/2012/05/

New Rangers tax case, doesnt really say much other than how the SFA need to do the right thing now and eject this cancer from our game once and for all.

I cant see them ejecting them from the cup Fraser, it was considered too lenient previously, with the court case it maybe is enough to tip them towards a suspension.
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The SFA didn't want to damage any chance of Rangers' survival and I think that's why they came up with the transfer ban. Harsh enough in the outside but didn't really do anything due to the clubs current situation and protected economic interests. They said that expulsion was seen as too harsh so unless they use the court case as an excuse to increase the punishment I see cup ban as the only option now.

Now that the economic interests are under threat it should make today's meeting of the SPL clubs more interesting since they'll want to protect European competition revenue.
 
Nauggie said:
Getting interesting now!

Green's £8.5m is a repayable loan over 20 years and not an investment in the club.

They won't specify a pence in the pound value because they don't know what it will be - the creditors have to vote on faith they might get something back on the assets.

And oh yes - the kick - Green will get the club for a knock down price if the CVA fails - D&P have stated no time for further bidding. Liquidation and asset strip - been on cards from start. This is why they want an SFA expulsion - plays into their hands.
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Not even 20, 8 years! Paid back by 2020.

On top of that, the plan was for the consortium to make money from player transfers, so there would be no way for Rangers to get on a good even footing as they would be reliant on ticket sales and sponsorship.

Green is an asset stripper of the highest order, you would think really with the amount of fans that Rangers have they could mobilise something but there just seems no appetite for it. For all it would take as well, 8.3m, with an alleged 500 thousand fans, it would only cost the price of a ticket if they each pledged that money and would keep it in a fans trust. Even if 500k is stretching it, there was 100k in Manchester, £100 each from those guys would raise 10m, its almost a ridiculous figure that they cant mobilise and you could argue because of this, they deserve to go under.
 
steve1873 said:
What part of SFA/ FIFA rules not being above the law of the land are you not understanding?
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You're presuming the ruling is against the SFA's right to punish Rangers, it's not! It's against the single punishment on the basis it's not in the SFA's rule book, which is very different.

The law has not in any way said Rangers are cleared of any wrong doing or said the authority of the SFA/FIFA is invalid. All it has done has said that the SFA has incorrectly punished Rangers, on the basis the SFA's rules don't specify that type of punishment.

Rangers chasing the SFA in this manor is just stupid.
 
Metalface Mark said:
http://rangerstaxcase.wordpress.com/2012/05/

New Rangers tax case, doesnt really say much other than how the SFA need to do the right thing now and eject this cancer from our game once and for all.

I cant see them ejecting them from the cup Fraser, it was considered too lenient previously, with the court case it maybe is enough to tip them towards a suspension.
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Great to see the Rangers tax case nutters finally showing their colours. Been baseless allegations and "what ifs" from that site from day 1 yet many believe what they read.

Some stupid quotes from the "blogger"

Is the SPL such a roaring financial success that its current formula must be preserved at all costs? No. Is it possible that with the dead-weight of Rangers’ boots lifted from the Scottish game that attendances at many other clubs will rise along with their fans’ hopes of actually winning something? Absolutely.

Eh? Who one the league and Scottish cup this year? Did attendances rise due to this at these clubs? Does he think attendances will rise at other clubs when the league will be won by end December? Guy is living in on another planet. The ONLY club benefitting from Rangers demise would be their Glasgow rivals all the other clubs would lose financially. Football quality would drop as would attendances. People will give their season ticket money to watch the EPL and Spanish games on SKY (already happening). Much like the league of Ireland.

Still enjoy the moment guys and live in your fantasy world where there is no Rangers and Celtic are winning a 1 team league.
 
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jas72 said:
Great to see the Rangers tax case nutters finally showing their colours. Been baseless allegations and "what ifs" from that site from day 1 yet many believe what they read because they want it to be true.
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Fixed that for you.
 
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jas72 said:
Great to see the Rangers tax case nutters finally showing their colours. Been baseless allegations and "what ifs" from that site from day 1 yet many believe what they read.
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You obviously havent read it from day 1.

Heres a nice exert from just day 2.

"So what is it? Fakeover or takeover? I have seen nothing that indicates that Craig Whyte has the wealth necessary to conclude such a deal with or without the taxcase. (I have looked). A trail of shell companies with a very poor track record of compliance with Companies House filing requirements and transactions that never seem to be much more than a few hundred thousand pounds. Let us not forget that he was recently taken to court over a measly £80k for building materials. (Odd that I did not find any companies in his portfolio that resold building materials. Anyone know the outcome of this case?)
But let us just suspend disbelief and go with the idea that Whyte does have some money. I would question the sanity of anyone who was willing to meet the stated price for Rangers. So I refuse to believe the story as it has been spun, a £33m purchase that would clear the debt and give MIH a nice consolation prize. Even if sold for a much lower price or just given away, that is not the end of the issue."

Baseless allegations you say :P
 
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jas72 said:
Great to see the Rangers tax case nutters finally showing their colours. Been baseless allegations and "what ifs" from that site from day 1 yet many believe what they read.
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A lot of what they posted was ignored by mainstream media in Scotland until Rangers went into administration and eventually proved correct. They've also been upfront about supporting Celtic.

However, the recent update is showing what many fans are feeling about Rangers at the moment. :p
 
pingwing said:
You're presuming the ruling is against the SFA's right to punish Rangers, it's not! It's against the single punishment on the basis it's not in the SFA's rule book, which is very different.

The law has not in any way said Rangers are cleared of any wrong doing or said the authority of the SFA/FIFA is invalid. All it has done has said that the SFA has incorrectly punished Rangers, on the basis the SFA's rules don't specify that type of punishment.

Rangers chasing the SFA in this manor is just stupid.
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At what point have I suggested otherwise?

I was replying to Mark when he said that the SFA could just ignore the courts findings. Rangers haven't chased the SFA anywhere. Rangers administrators challenged the SFA that the sanction placed on the club was not 1 which was available to them and as such unlawful. They have been proven correct. Deal with it.
 
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