Losing Fat (and improving health) is Easy... we have been misled :) My Story

Fluttershy said:
Few good candidates for my online course i'm running next year. Email in trust if you want to sign up for BA (Hons) Broscienceology.
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Hi,

I'm planning on writing a dissertation on how to dismiss anecdotes which don't agree with the conclusions I have formed from other anecdotes that I read about on the internet. Can I sign up?
 
Tefal said:
actually "hardcore" body builders will be eatign the cheapest chicken they can find, the tescos 59p cans of tuna, and the cheapest pasta, rice in the supermarket and a good amount of icecream. otherwise their food bills will be more than their rent.
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Yep, I'm by no means a pro body-builder (far from it) but I've been buying 6 £2 Tesco Everyday Value packs of chicken breasts per week for ages now. They just put the price up by 50p though :(
 
How can you know what body builders buy? The pros certainly don't buy the cheap stuff.
 
Calabi said:
Well domesticated is probably the better word.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestication

Evolution can happen pretty quickly. We probably transformed wheat in a few years not millions or thousands. We probably evolved to it in a similar short time.
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we have not "evolved" to it, that's not how evolution works anyway we don't just magically get a tolerance/thriving reaction to things; there has never been the time or environmental pressure (having to survive off of nearly a all wheat diet in an isolated population) for us to be naturally selected to tolerate grains/wheat well... the thing with wheat (especially modern wheat) is the damage to the gut lining and other health aspects is gradual up til a point...

that being said of course there is a spectrum of how well our body can cope with wheat's damaging properties but unless you are lucky if you eat wheat all the time it will do some damage in some way

The type of genetic manipulation/hybrid selection that happened to wheat 30ish years ago was the biggest change [article about that here: http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/02/wheat-is-not-genetically-modified/]
 
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on the subject of body-builders not using high quality food... depends where you get the food from... if you are buying in bulk from farmers as some of my facebook paleo friends do then yeah, that works out affordable or even cheaper than supermarket's lower quality stuff. There is also the subject of animal cruelty that some need to avoid as hard as it is... yes we are producing them for food but I don't see why the animals have to have a miserable life (and what they are fed influences omega6:3 ratios and other stuff)
 
iCe-BLaZeD said:
we have not "evolved" to it, that's not how evolution works anyway we don't just magically get a tolerance/thriving reaction to things; there has never been the time or environmental pressure (having to survive off of nearly a all wheat diet in an isolated population) for us to be naturally selected to tolerate grains/wheat well... the thing with wheat (especially modern wheat) is the damage to the gut lining and other health aspects is gradual up til a point...

that being said of course there is a spectrum of how well our body can cope with wheat's damaging properties but unless you are lucky if you eat wheat all the time it will do some damage in some way

The type of genetic manipulation/hybrid selection that happened to wheat 30ish years ago was the biggest change [article about that here: http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/02/wheat-is-not-genetically-modified/]
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I didnt say we magically get tolerance. It called Evolution! Thats how we got milk tolerance.

How do you know we never had the time. Its not clear exactly how much time is needed and what about the time spent in the Fertile Crescent spent harvesting. We didnt need an all milk diet to get us the milk tolerance.

If its that damaging then it would have exposed itself in the first people that harvested and ate it. Those that didnt eat it would be healthier and fitter.

I dont know though, what/where is the evidence for wheat being so damaging?
 
Calabi said:
I didnt say we magically get tolerance. It called Evolution! Thats how we got milk tolerance.

How do you know we never had the time. Its not clear exactly how much time is needed and what about the time spent in the Fertile Crescent spent harvesting. We didnt need an all milk diet to get us the milk tolerance.

If its that damaging then it would have exposed itself in the first people that harvested and ate it. Those that didnt eat it would be healthier and fitter.

I dont know though, what/where is the evidence for wheat being so damaging?
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Lactose tolerance is based on the lactase enzyme production though surely? Though yeah I guess it applies in the same way, lactose doesn't provide the same potential for gut damage IIRC. We do have similar tolerance groups within populations for wheat, never said we didn't but to assume its safe to eat just because we've eaten it for a long time is a bit of a mis-nomer.

Most of the issue that comes with wheat is due to the new type of wheat over the last 30-40 years. Old versions of wheat would be substantially more benign but everything is from this *******ized dwarf-hybrid variant these days
 
Azza said:
This thread is truly insightful!
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The whole point of the thread was that it isn't as simple as "calories in, calories out"... I don't claim to be drowning in knowledge about these things.. infact I bet I nearly always mis-represent the arguement's / recent findings.

I hope people get the point of the thread being "seek out the latest research and interpretations" rather than rely on the mainstream media/epidemiological studies' tabloid claims.

If I had not started looking into this stuff myself due to deperation and luck (stumbling across some of this stuff) I'd still be stuck where I was probably getting much more unhealthy due to all the "conventional wisdom" that is flat out wrong.
 
iCe-BLaZeD said:
wow, interesting story :), well done especially considering the auto-immune condition... just curious as I could not see any mention... have you looked into eliminating grains and in addition since it's not usually covered that well nightshades/possibly eggs? this is known as the "auto-immune" paleo protocol... this and/or GAPs are pretty much what seem to be used to manage/cure auto-immune diseases in the paleo/ancestral health blogisphere.
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You've done great, Did you hold much of an exercise routine you don't really describe much in the OP regarding exercise? Or was it just a matter of controlling food?

Well done yet again
 
Big Chris said:
Yep, I'm by no means a pro body-builder (far from it) but I've been buying 6 £2 Tesco Everyday Value packs of chicken breasts per week for ages now. They just put the price up by 50p though :(
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Get to makro 5kg of Franky amazing quality chicken Brest (340g average weight not much water) for 19 quid, that's the uncalibrated ones (variation in weight of best, but not much) last time I went they had 5kg reduced to 14 quid :p

Tuna is over priced though tescoes 59p cans are best (live off tuna pasta in work) for that, always sold out though
 
In fact the whole makro meat and fish section is frankly amazing puts super marketes to shame and often the decent butchers too. Oh and they'll cut steaks to any thickness you like from any cut :p
 
iCe-BLaZeD said:
on the subject of body-builders not using high quality food... depends where you get the food from... if you are buying in bulk from farmers as some of my facebook paleo friends do then yeah, that works out affordable or even cheaper than supermarket's lower quality stuff. There is also the subject of animal cruelty that some need to avoid as hard as it is... yes we are producing them for food but I don't see why the animals have to have a miserable life (and what they are fed influences omega6:3 ratios and other stuff)
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Just something you should know the stuff farmers sell direct in "bulk" is stuff the supermarkets have rejected on quality grounds.
 
iCe-BLaZeD said:
The whole point of the thread was that it isn't as simple as "calories in, calories out"...
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Actually it is, all that's happened here is you've educated yourself you've stopped using stupid fad diets that you do not have the willpower to maintain and started eating less calories than you use.

but you've now done it sensibly doing or at a rate you can maintain and have so lost weight, you could have done this at any time simply by reducing the size of your portions gradually over time.

You remind me of the guy on here spending thousands of pounds a year on homeopathic "cures" and proclaiming their brilliance, all you've found is something that gave you the strength to do what you needed to. No miracle just a trick that,worked on your failings.
 
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