Windows 9

KraniX · 18 Feb 2013 at 14:47

I'm not too fussed about Aero but the lack of a start menu is quite weird and I do find it takes longer to go back to Start and type the name than just clicking on what I want, even if time isn't an issue it just seems quite jarring to be jumping in and out.

I hate having a messy desktop with loads of links or tons of things pinned to the toolbar, am considering purchasing Start8 or iOrbit as an alternative to bring it back.

m4cc45 · 18 Feb 2013 at 15:49

For me going back to one common interface is key.

I'm fed up of going to 'Start# and typing CMD then being taken to the desktop - it's not seemless at all. Same with Control Panel, etc. if you're going to force 'not-Metro' on us then every app needs to run in the not-Metro screen IMHO. The next logical step would be to take away the desktop really (as it's an app at the moment) but I can't see that happening any time soon especially with the above problems.

Personally I believe they should have both a tablet and desktop version of the operating systems. Tablet can have the not-Metro interface and the desktop can have it's start menu back. I'd hate to try and teach users how to use not-Metro.

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theheyes · 18 Feb 2013 at 16:28

m4cc45 said:
For me going back to one common interface is key.

Windows 8 is the closest thing we've got to a common interface; there isn't really anything to go back to. If that's the goal then it's a step in the right direction, not the wrong one.

The OS works on anything from a small tablet to a large screen workstation, with pretty much any combination of mouse, trackpad, keyboard and/or touch input.

Sure, not everyone likes the duality of the system and it takes a while to get used to, but the very fact that most of the complaints boil down to barely more than nitpicks just shows how well it does actually work.

XeNoN89 · 18 Feb 2013 at 17:10

KraniX said:
I'm not too fussed about Aero but the lack of a start menu is quite weird and I do find it takes longer to go back to Start and type the name than just clicking on what I want, even if time isn't an issue it just seems quite jarring to be jumping in and out.

I hate having a messy desktop with loads of links or tons of things pinned to the toolbar, am considering purchasing Start8 or iOrbit as an alternative to bring it back.

http://startisback.com/

I have been testing this and it's perfect. All the advantages of Win 8 without the silly start screen. Definitely worth a purchase, which is what I will be doing when I do a rebuild of my home PC using Win8.

gareth170 · 18 Feb 2013 at 20:17

m4cc45 said:
I'm fed up of going to 'Start# and typing CMD then being taken to the desktop - it's not seemless at all. Same with Control Panel, etc.

seems you've not played around with win8 enough.

just right click in the bottom left corner.

also metro is a start menu replacement, it's not a separate os. so of course if u start command prompt from the start screen / metro it goes to the desktop, just like the classic start menu

marc2003 · 19 Feb 2013 at 10:50

m4cc45 said:
Personally I believe they should have both a tablet and desktop version of the operating systems.

not really necessary. but i do think it should auto detect what hardware is available and default to desktop if there is no touch screen. of course there could be options to over-ride this if people want.

badcompany · 19 Feb 2013 at 11:44

ran 8 for two weeks but it failed to boot after restart had no end of hassle with it not sure if it was SSD or not but tried in different machines but it keep either getting stuck on preparing repairs or would get to logon screen and then no do anything! Back to win 7 on the desktop for me had more hangs/lockups in two weeks with windows 8 than I had in win7 in a year.

Elevon · 19 Feb 2013 at 12:41

badcompany said:
ran 8 for two weeks but it failed to boot after restart had no end of hassle with it not sure if it was SSD or not but tried in different machines but it keep either getting stuck on preparing repairs or would get to logon screen and then no do anything! Back to win 7 on the desktop for me had more hangs/lockups in two weeks with windows 8 than I had in win7 in a year.

Probably something that caused it,its not Win8 fault.

I'm using Win8 on three PCs all upgraded from Win7(all with different hardware as well) since last year,all faultless,you tell me what I'm doing right?...even all my games work fine which include oldies like KOTOR,KOTOR2,BG etc...

stuie · 19 Feb 2013 at 15:57

credit where its due though they have managed to create an os that makes vista seem good

Elevon · 19 Feb 2013 at 16:03

stuie said:
credit where its due though they have managed to create an os that makes vista seem good

Vista was always good, just a lot of unwarranted FUD on the net and stupid OEM companies shipping Vista with hardware below minimum Vista recommended specs,plus lazy companies getting drivers out the door very late too.

Tute · 19 Feb 2013 at 17:47

Vista needed service packing to finally become a good OS. There were too many bugs with it at release.

Elevon · 19 Feb 2013 at 18:29

Tute said:
Vista needed service packing to finally become a good OS. There were too many bugs with it at release.

A lot of Microsoft operating systems at service packs,XP had three, even Win7 got a service pack ,end of the day its a good OS that had improved security etc...

theheyes · 19 Feb 2013 at 18:45

XP SP2 was the daddy.

theheyes · 19 Feb 2013 at 18:49

Oh, and I read earlier that the kernel version has been bumped to 6.3 in Windows Blue. The more I think about it the less it surprises me but an interesting tidbit nonetheless.

gareth170 · 19 Feb 2013 at 18:57

I guess it's the end of service packs due to the yearly releases.

but personally I feel where we was getting service packs for free which would bring the improvements / updates to the OS but now we'll be paying for it for the improvements / updates kind of.

PAz · 19 Feb 2013 at 19:02

edgedemon said:
Yes they will, and have you seen server 2012?

Server 2012 is awesome....

Django x2 · 19 Feb 2013 at 19:10

billysielu said:
Metro is not here to stay, business won't buy it. Ever.

Too bad you're wrong. HP, the worlds largest global it service provider has literally just upgraded most of its corporate COE image to Win 8

Elevon · 19 Feb 2013 at 19:24

gareth170 said:
I guess it's the end of service packs due to the yearly releases.

but personally I feel where we was getting service packs for free which would bring the improvements / updates to the OS but now we'll be paying for it for the improvements / updates kind of.

I hope they don't go on yearly upgrades,my fear is how polish will every yearly OS upgrade be and support lifetime?....2 to 3 years was fine IMHO for new operating system.

gareth170 · 19 Feb 2013 at 19:40

Elevon said:
I hope they don't go on yearly upgrades,my fear is how polish will every yearly OS upgrade be and support lifetime?....2 to 3 years was fine IMHO for new operating system.

each yearly os release will only bring major improvements/updates over previous one, just like service parks give major improvements/updates. and they may reduce the support lifetime.

people may think it's good having yearly os releases, but it's not tbh. because we are now be paying for major improvements/updates which we got for free with service parks before

theheyes · 19 Feb 2013 at 19:43

The yearly upgrade positives outweigh the negatives in my opinion.

Let's face it, they need to start revving through versions of Metro to smooth some of the rough edges and they seem to be doing a LOT of under the bonnet stuff to make life easier for developers.

They can't afford to wait 3 years before delivering updates to WinRT. They need them as soon as possible and to engage in a feedback loop with the people who are writing Windows store apps.

Look at how many APIs got added regularly to iOS in the early days. Microsoft need to grow this new platform and it's just not going to happen on a 3 year cycle.