nope, why would this deliberately exaggerated allegation be given any credence?
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nope, why would this deliberately exaggerated allegation be given any credence?
Yes I would, but that is probably because my father was a soldier during the miners strike and a couple of family members were police officers manning the picket lines.
Possibly because I understood the nuance of what he was saying and that, to a factory worker on £75 a week the £300+ a week the miners were getting would have seemed like "millionaires wages" it is a turn of phrase, not something to be taken literally. Surely that was obvious from the context?
In reality Scargill is as much, if not more, to blame for the strike and the effects it had. He thought he could emulate the great strikes of the 70s yet had failed to realise that the world had moved on, gas and oil central heating were widespread and the railways were either diesel or electric.
Well no, really the burden of proof should be on the person making the claim.
Anyway, some hunting around would suggest that the average wage in 1974 was £1809pa or £34.79 per week.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/6/newsid_4207000/4207111.stm
This story from the BBC reports the miners being given payrises to £36 per week for underground workers and £45 per week for face workers.
Doesn't seem especially 'millionaire' in comparison the average if i'm honest.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...grave-i-want-her-to-go-on-and-on-8143089.html
A good read, no point celebrating her death because her legacy will live on whether you like it or not.
A good read, no point celebrating her death because her legacy will live on whether you like it or not.
It was backed up by two separate individuals from the area in question.
and youve got the wrong miners strike i believe.
My mistake, I wasn't aware the wage issue was only relevant at one particular strike
Ok he clearly states "greedy miners", now come on if that is not a spectacularly inflammatory and tbh immature statement, he also states you could only get in if you had family working there. You guys are not stupid, this post smacks of just rubbish tbh. He also says if you are working class you should all be on same steps etc, eh?, sounds like miners were making more and he just didn't like it.
well no, but the ten years between the two is somewhat relevant...no?
And yet substitute "miner" for "banker" and you would be happily agreeing?
Well I assumed their wages was always in dispute, not that it just suddenly got out of hand in the 80s but wasn't really out of kilter until then.
I was working in a factory in 1979, I was earning circa £35 a week, whilst I take your point about deliberate exaggeration I would say WHY use that?, and really the onus lies on the poster to prove this, I for one don't believe it, taken in context with some of his other ramblings I would need proof.
I'm not going to debate with you any further after this post because I think you're massively hypocritical and generally just miss the point. It is a personal experience and has been confirmed by two other people. He referred to them as greedy miners in much the same way as I imagine you have referred to bankers recently. The wage difference might be smaller but that's largely irrelevant.
That might well have been the case in Stoke, how do you know? You then talked about your own family in which 6(?) family members were in the mines, it certainly doesn't sound unlikely that people could use family connections to get a job?
This is particularly amusing considering this is just a smaller scale version of the larger problem; the working class were making less and they just didn't like it. You can't argue the views of a socialist then change your mind when your side is on top.
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'Cause he's a gimp? Oh hang on, we're not allowed to 'bully him' in case he gets upset and cries about it.
I throw the balls up and Biohazard always hits them - it's dead easy.
It isn't mistruth from the Stoke On Trent area, you have your experiences where you live and I have mine and I shared my life with many miners who agreed years on and blamed Scargill (obviously some don't).
I worked at The Michelin Tyre Company which was also a 'closed shop' to family members and then I went to Creda/Hotpoint which was a bit more relaxed but if you had family you definitely got on. Stoke On Trent's miners were no different but the difference was the ***Millionaires wages*** (3 asterisks per side to exaggerate even more) which they didn't deserve next to the other working men they shared their lives with.
Yes they had their own estates - Colville (spelling intentional) was a dead giveaway and basically made up of Geordie miners as was Lundy estate.
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Lot of the posters posting stuff werent born or very young under the Iron Lady. I was 6 when she left office.
While I can see the good and bad she did for the country I think its a hard balance to get right for anyone who comes into to power.
I like that she had a backbone and stood up to people right or wrong. Falklands and Embassy seige spring to mind of course. God forbid labour got into power with Ed bend over Milband in power
I think respect should be paid to her and her family for the time being and at a later date drag up what was done rightly or wrongly.
RIP to the Iron Lady
While I can see the good and bad she did for the country I think its a hard balance to get right for anyone who comes into to power.
I like that she had a backbone and stood up to people right or wrong. Falklands and Embassy seige spring to mind of course. God forbid labour got into power with Ed bend over Milband in power
I think respect should be paid to her and her family for the time being and at a later date drag up what was done rightly or wrongly.
RIP to the Iron Lady
I don't really care about someone's death, nor the implications to economy, its all very irrelevant now, especially after this.
It is also quite humorous to hear "patriot", when in fact she cemented globalisation in the country, which has the opposite result on the people residing here and will only persist to become irrelevant as the generation barrier widens.
Beyond this, what this country desperately needs right now is a enduring focus on science, we might lead the world in a few areas, but we don't really take advantage of the innovations like other nations do, leaving us with sucking the last droplets out of it after everyone else has dried it out.
If anything sullies Thatcher, it is that, so while some people might be opposed to her political message, the truth is it is the conservatives currently in power that are offending her existence.
It is also quite humorous to hear "patriot", when in fact she cemented globalisation in the country, which has the opposite result on the people residing here and will only persist to become irrelevant as the generation barrier widens.
Beyond this, what this country desperately needs right now is a enduring focus on science, we might lead the world in a few areas, but we don't really take advantage of the innovations like other nations do, leaving us with sucking the last droplets out of it after everyone else has dried it out.
If anything sullies Thatcher, it is that, so while some people might be opposed to her political message, the truth is it is the conservatives currently in power that are offending her existence.
Because of the hypocrisy of supporting the so called "politics of envy" only when they agree with you?
LOL, your first opening gambit is bolstered with a firm "I imagine", good god man, and as far as the Stoke mines being family members only.......LOL, how utterly preposterous, AND like one kind poster mentioned, the onus is on the poster to prove this. Your last point is just so esoteric and removed from the core of the salient points I cba to deal with it.
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