Baroness Thatcher has died.
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This is largely irrelevant as long as the people in question have done the required reading to know what they're talking about. Granted, a lot of people are just jumping on the bandwagon but I'd advise making that point rather than age alone.
Your acolytes deal in facts mate, you're messing it up for them with these tales of old Stoke which serve no purpose really.
No, simply because you dont know what I would think about any given situation?
So you wouldn't disagree with someone that said being jealous of bankers high wages is just the politics of envy? Because if you do, then it is somewhat hypocritical to accuse others of the same when applied to a different workforce.
So you wouldn't disagree with someone that said being jealous of bankers high wages is just the politics of envy? Because if you do, then it is somewhat hypocritical to accuse others of the same when applied to a different workforce.
lol you have inverted the logic so much in that question I`m not sure what I think!, but seriously no its not, come on most reasonable people can see that the point you attempt to make is really not very relevant, and even if we give it some credence the comparison/s are not valid imho, BUT as the footie is on I wont be detailing that lol.
But hang on, they've been confirmed by other posters, so they serve all the purpose they intend.
But hang on, they've been confirmed by other posters, so they serve all the purpose they intend.
Yeah maybe I should accede, I mean a full THREE people have stated they have heard hearsay.
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Is there anyone who lives North or West of Watford who thinks she was alright?
There is no doubt the unions in the 70s and early 80s have a lot to answer for, particularly the leaders, I do agree that the union legislation was very important. I do think it all could have been handled in a more subtle way though.
The reality is though that Maggie had very little opposition while in power as the labour party at the time were unelectable. Maggie destroyed the core of British industry but Blair did absolutely nothing to restore the balance.
The reality is though that Maggie had very little opposition while in power as the labour party at the time were unelectable. Maggie destroyed the core of British industry but Blair did absolutely nothing to restore the balance.
So you wouldn't disagree with someone that said being jealous of bankers high wages is just the politics of envy? Because if you do, then it is somewhat hypocritical to accuse others of the same when applied to a different workforce.
Politics of envy or politics of fairness, take your pick.
She did preside over the deregulation of the city mind.
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I'll give you more facts.
When I left school in 1974 it was a certainty that having in excess of 20 family members at the Michelin (I come from a very large ***** family) I would get an Apprenticeship but I wouldn't get an Apprenticeship at a pit because I had no family members at any so it was useless trying. Even in 74 I was getting £16/week but the mining Apprentices in our College class were on 4x what we earned.
In the early 90s when t'pits were shutting down in Stoke On Trent the three companies Creda, JCB and Michelin put the Miners at the top of the list to employ (which was unfair) and it was then when these ex-miners realised how much they had been molly coddled. Many had to downsize their houses and cars because they were now on proper working mans wages.
Firstly I have difficulty believing actual mining apprentices (not trades apprentices) earned £60 a week in 1974. The rest of your post kind of messes up the guys agreeing with you, politics of envy etc, oh and miners would earn a bit more, but it was a dangerous job.
What, as in take her out for a few drinks alright?
I think it is a lot more complex than "She was evil" or "She was great". I don't think she killed industry (probably because I am aware of how much high value industry the UK has), though she did switch off the life support for plenty of otherwise failing industries. Her main failure was not switching off the tap but on providing no backup after she did it. I think the miners are more responsible for the closing of the pits than Thatcher and would say that the unions were too powerful and needed dealing with. I also find it somewhat amusing the differing standards when it comes to evidence depending on if it agrees with their point of view or not.
I think it is a lot more complex than "She was evil" or "She was great". I don't think she killed industry (probably because I am aware of how much high value industry the UK has), though she did switch off the life support for plenty of otherwise failing industries. Her main failure was not switching off the tap but on providing no backup after she did it. I think the miners are more responsible for the closing of the pits than Thatcher and would say that the unions were too powerful and needed dealing with. I also find it somewhat amusing the differing standards when it comes to evidence depending on if it agrees with their point of view or not.
Yes you are correct, I`m with you on the evidence thing.
I thought folk were kidding, i`m not in agreement with that at all.
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