Lightroom and Photoshop subscription now available to all

Sh4rkie · 24 Nov 2013 at 12:02

bcjames said:
My immediate thought would be that cancelling ends the subscription, and as that's all you have the software via, you lose it too.

That would be my take. It's a SaaS model so at the point of cancelling the subs you'd lose access to the applications.

edgedemon · 24 Nov 2013 at 12:26

Not sure what to do about this.
I have their creative cloud subscription which gives me a whole host of apps for around £16 a month with education discount. Im pretty sure that once the first year subscription is up, that price will jump considerably.
So Im not sure whether to get this as well as a hedge against the inevitable price rise as all I want is LR and PS, the other apps are nice, but it was the cheap offer that sucked me in for the rest of the apps, and if I understand this, the price now is not going to rise, at least not after a year?

Energize · 24 Nov 2013 at 17:24

Raymond Lin said:
The algorithm when exporting a photo is about 10x faster.

Makes me think they've crippled the algorithm on the older version in an attempt to get people to upgrade...

I'm certainly not paying to rent software in any case, that's always a raw deal no matter how you look at it.

Raymond Lin · 24 Nov 2013 at 18:22

Energize said:
Makes me think they've crippled the algorithm on the older version in an attempt to get people to upgrade...

I'm certainly not paying to rent software in any case, that's always a raw deal no matter how you look at it.

Lol, that would be true if people know how slow LR4 is when it first come out and compare it to an unreleased LR5.

It's only good that software gets more streamlined and better coding, you can't win if they make it faster and get accused of what you are suggesting and you can't win if it gets slower (which actually is natural, every new version requires more juice, just as every other program ever released, like ever).

Energize · 24 Nov 2013 at 20:04

Raymond Lin said:
Lol, that would be true if people know how slow LR4 is when it first come out and compare it to an unreleased LR5.

I can't decipher this.

It's only good that software gets more streamlined and better coding, you can't win if they make it faster and get accused of what you are suggesting and you can't win if it gets slower (which actually is natural, every new version requires more juice, just as every other program ever released, like ever).

It's not natural for a function to get slower, an unmodified method in a program always completes in the same O() time.

There's no way such a simplistic algorithm as an export function could get an order of magnitude performance increase unless it was intentionally crippled in the first place or the original coder had spectacular incompetence.

Raymond Lin · 24 Nov 2013 at 20:08

It's natural that a new program requires more processing power, thus on the same old hardware, it will be slower.

Think call of duty 1 to 4, think far cry 1 to 4, think of super Mario for the last 30 years. Think DOS to windows 8

Energize · 24 Nov 2013 at 20:10

Raymond Lin said:
It's natural that a new program requires more processing power, thus on the same old hardware, it will be slower.

Think call of duty 1 to 4, think far cry 1 to 4, think of super Mario for the last 30 years. Think DOS to windows 8

It's not the same thing at all, you are comparing a program as a whole to a mathematical function which (provably) always completes execution in the same number of operations!

If for example I have a method that takes a raw file as a parameter, compresses it and saves the file to hard drive:

Code:

public void exportFile(File f, String compressionType, Object file) {

    FileWriter fw = new FileWriter(f);
    file = compressFile(file, compressionType);
    fw.write(file);
    fw.flush();
    fw.close();

}

That method always takes the same number of operations to complete regardless of what hardware it is running on. If running on the same hardware it will always take the same amount of time to complete for any given file.

Raymond Lin · 24 Nov 2013 at 21:12

Well, it got faster.

Thus it is better. (unless you think slow is better)

The bottom line here is you can be bitter about it and stand your ground and waste your own time every time you export a photo or upgrade and take advantage of it. Bickering about why and how like what we are doing here aren't going to change a thing.

Besides, neither of us have the source code for LR4 and LR5 so who knows why it was faster in LR5. Could it to do with the new Camera Raw, which LR4 can't support? Or something else?

I have no idea, I know LR5 outputs it faster, along with other features and I think it is worth the upgrade fee.

dannyjo22 · 24 Nov 2013 at 21:46

Raymond Lin said:
It's only good that software gets more streamlined and better coding, you can't win if they make it faster and get accused of what you are suggesting and you can't win if it gets slower (which actually is natural, every new version requires more juice, just as every other program ever released, like ever).

I'm on the same PC that has used LR3,4 and 5.

3 was fastest, 4 was terribly slow for me and 5 is somewhere inbetween. LR certainly hasn't got slower for me. 5 is much faster than 4 was

Going to 5 saved me a heap of cash thinking I should upgrade my PC.

Genoma · 24 Nov 2013 at 23:07

Amp34 said:
Are people 100% certain that you get to keep LR5 if you decide to unsubscribe after the year is up? There seems to be some confusion on the web whether you actually can or if that will terminate when you unsubscribe as well.

I'm pretty sure both LR5 and photoshop licenses will no longer be valid if you terminate the subscription.

In my case I already own LR5, with a perpetual license which I get to keep, redeploy or pass on to another user.

So when I subscribed it updated the license on my PC with the subscription license. My perpetual license I've moved to my Mac laptop

DoubleCheese · 25 Nov 2013 at 13:01

Raymond, as a LR5 User is it significantly better and faster than LR4? Adobe just emailed me a deal to buy LR5 at 40% off, today only though, so tempted with it.

planty · 25 Nov 2013 at 20:59

Was just going to post about that adobe deal... 40% off for today only which makes LR5 £62 http://www.adobe.com/uk/products/photoshop-lightroom.html

I was as looking to get LR5 and wasn't too keen on the subscription, so that's sealed it for me.

An Exception · 25 Nov 2013 at 21:06

DoubleCheese said:
Raymond, as a LR5 User is it significantly better and faster than LR4? Adobe just emailed me a deal to buy LR5 at 40% off, today only though, so tempted with it.

It's better, but a little slower.

jasonsony735 · 25 Nov 2013 at 23:28

Would make sense to select US Currency and pay around £6.20 month.

lemonade · 26 Nov 2013 at 13:20

Is there a difference between the standard version and the student and teacher version?

Janesy B · 26 Nov 2013 at 13:54

lemonade said:
Is there a difference between the standard version and the student and teacher version?

It's just a licencing thing.

Scurra · 26 Nov 2013 at 15:17

The only thing that puts me off slightly is what are the costs going to go up to after the initial years offer?

All the terms say is:

"Renewal
After the first 12 months, we will automatically renew your contract based on the current price of the offering."

I read that as current price at time of renewal.

Janesy B · 26 Nov 2013 at 15:22

Relying on you to forget and not cancel to reclaim the savings from the first year probably.

gary996 · 26 Nov 2013 at 15:47

I have signed up. Hope they don't shaft us after the first year......But probably will!

Energize · 26 Nov 2013 at 19:37

Raymond Lin said:
Well, it got faster.

Thus it is better. (unless you think slow is better)

I don't think anyone is debating that...

The bottom line here is you can be bitter about it and stand your ground and waste your own time every time you export a photo or upgrade and take advantage of it. Bickering about why and how like what we are doing here aren't going to change a thing.

I'm doing neither, I bulk export photos in the background so it doesn't make a difference how long exports take, and if

are obstinate enough not to offer a non-sub licence I can just pirate the software if I feel the need to anyway, so no skin off my nose. I'm not going to be ripped off by them in any case.