29 million Bulgarians and Romanians will gain the right to live and work unrestricted in our country

James J said:
There's a big difference between an illegal immigrant though and a skilled worker. Illegals shouldn't be allowed entry, regardless of where they originated from.
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but they won't be illegals soon and most of them are unskilled at anything other than selling tat/begging in the street (one guy actually spent his €300 on a bag of car air fresheners and plans to sell them on the high streets in the uk)
 
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arknor said:
but they won't be illegals soon and most of them are unskilled at anything other than selling tat/begging in the street (one guy actually spent his €300 on a bag of car air fresheners and plans to sell them on the high streets in the uk)
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You do understand the difference between doing unskilled labour and being unskilled, right? Many immigrants doing unskilled labour are actually pretty qualified, but their qualifications are not recognised over here. Also, in areas where high qualifications are required, immigrants are far less likely to get the job. So if they want to work here, they are frequently forced into menial work. Also: running a car wash shows a lot more gumption than the locals. You can hardly accuse them of stealing the jobs of Brits if both had the same opportunity but only the immigrants took it.
 
Ace Modder said:
That wont happen, our government are spineless wimps when it comes to the EU.
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As opposed to being what, ruthless dictators? Do you understand what the EU is and what it stands for? Or maybe you think it's not much that the bloodiest region on Earth became, in just a few decades, a place where war is unthinkable, partially thanks to the EU?

Your worries about the invasion of the Romanians and Bulgarians are pure fantasy, propaganda spread by your right wing nutters, euro skepticals and nationalists. There are countries doing much better than the UK (Scandinavia says hi), the dirty Easterners did not invade them, yet somehow, they will all suddenly start flocking? Ridiculous.
 
Zethor said:
As opposed to being what, ruthless dictators? Do you understand what the EU is and what it stands for? Or maybe you think it's not much that the bloodiest region on Earth became, in just a few decades, a place where war is unthinkable, partially thanks to the EU?

Your worries about the invasion of the Romanians and Bulgarians are pure fantasy, propaganda spread by your right wing nutters, euro skepticals and nationalists. There are countries doing much better than the UK (Scandinavia says hi), the dirty Easterners did not invade them, yet somehow, they will all suddenly start flocking? Ridiculous.
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Yes but it sells newspapers and your average person being slightly smarter than a half eaten potato, proceed to believe it.

I've had people (Brits) tell me that all immigrants goes to the local council and gets given a brand new BMW when they arrive. And they fully believe that too and won't be told different.

Unfortunately there's no talking to Stupid.
 
A lot of people on this forum need to attend schooling lessons and learn that the pros and cons have already been decided.

Of course the UK is going to push hate.

UKIP is certainly alive in this thread and forum. LOL!

1. Let's start with UKIP's anti-homosexual/gay policy. This will be a nice sub topic to discuss in short format.

Well. . . Let's say I don't think anyone will vote UKIP when there are roughly 1 quarter (maybe more) of today's Youth aged 10 - 25 who are bisexual, lesbian or gay (I'm bisexual myself).

Do some research, before posting such crap!

2. Wages. Well. . . A wage differs for different jobs, areas and locations. If you compare a job down in London to a job up in the North (a town such as Blackpool), the wage in the TOWN will be LOWER!

If you compare a wage in one country to another; it is like comparing the human brain to a bird's brain! Hereditary if you ask me.

3. Bulgaria and Romania are countries that are countries that are advancing themselves to UK's standards. Actually, some places in Romania and Bulgaria already have higher standards than most UK cities and towns (especially in the North of the UK).

4. There are several countries to choose from. Not everyone will want to come to the UK. Don't be stuck up, I bet it is old people who are UKIP voters. Majority of the likes I've seen on Facebook look like old cretins who need to re-symbolise the meaning of a "country" and the "WORLD".

Of course I'm going to stick up for them, especially when my girlfriend is from Bulgaria. I think half of these people need to un-glue their eyes from the UK's television and do some god damn research.

When it comes to USA and the UK paying the NSA money, no one cares. But when it comes to Europe (INNOCENT EUROPE), all hell breaks loose.

And there are differences between Bulgarian and Romanian people to the ROMA people who live in nearly every EUROPEAN COUNTRY! (Who date back to India and actually speak an Indian based language).

Lastly - GROW UP!
 
BuZ said:
1. Let's start with UKIP's anti-homosexual/gay policy. This will be a nice sub topic to discuss in short format.

Well. . . Let's say I don't think anyone will vote UKIP when there are roughly 1 quarter (maybe more) of today's Youth aged 10 - 25 who are bisexual, lesbian or gay (I'm bisexual myself).

Do some research, before posting such crap!
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What research did you do? :confused:

"2.7 per cent of 16- to 24-year-olds in the UK identified themselves as Gay, Lesbian or Bisexual" [ONS]


UKIP policy is against same sex marriage based on implementation concerns, that's it.
Actually some gay people don't like it either.

However some of UKIPs politicians (and membership) are clearly anti gay and the fact they are not clearly condemned by their party does support your point. It is not however a policy.
EDL support has racist elements, but there isn't a stated policy of such, nor was there (at the time) any lack of leadership condemnation of this. All change now though.


UKIP should never have included such a policy, it's pointlessly diversive and makes them too much like BNP.
 
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bitslice said:
What research did you do? :confused:

"2.7 per cent of 16- to 24-year-olds in the UK identified themselves as Gay, Lesbian or Bisexual" [ONS]


UKIP policy is against same sex marriage based on implementation concerns, that's it.
Actually some gay people don't like it either.

However some of UKIPs politicians (and membership) are clearly anti gay and the fact they are not clearly condemned by their party does support your point. It is not however a policy.
EDL support has racist elements, but there isn't a stated policy of such, nor was there (at the time) any lack of leadership condemnation of this. All change now though.


UKIP should never have included such a policy, it's pointlessly diversive and makes them too much like BNP.
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Erm UKIP is basically BNP version 2. I shall also say they're not including the hidden statistics. Not everyone will display their sexual preference.
 
BuZ said:
Erm UKIP is basically BNP version 2. I shall also say they're not including the hidden statistics. Not everyone will display their sexual preference.
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its no where close to quarter though not by a very very very very long shot.
 
BuZ said:
Not everyone will display their sexual preference.
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Oh come on, it's never been close to +25%, just admit you plucked that figure out of thin air :p

"3.6 per cent of adults stated ‘Don’t know’ or refused to answer the question, 0.6 per cent of respondents provided ‘No response', 0.3 per cent identified themselves as ‘Other’" [ONS]

There, your hidden percentage.



A better point would be how many people would not vote for UKIP based on their outdated gay marriage policy, not by how may of them happen to be gay. It's only their attempt to scoop up a few disaffected Tory voters anyway.
 
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