Chances of UKIP winning General Election?

[semi-pro waster]

Sure some people may be against ukip for credible reasons, we don't see this in the media though. Which is what i was getting at.

I would be interested to hear why someone is against ukip without resorting to calling them racist or misrepresenting their positions.

Perhaps before we start it might be worth defining what would be a credible reason for you. If a political party is actually racist then should that not count as a credible reason to be against them? I'll point out that in fairness I'm probably not going to be giving reasons either for or against but it might help anyone who is inclined to take up your challenge if you can set the parameters at the outset rather than just dismissing reasons because they don't quite fit with what you want.

There is no indication that ukip would like to vet immigrants based on arbitrary criteria like what country the applicant is from or what ethnicity they are.

The vetting process that they are after as far as i am aware is what australia have. Which i think is based on economics more than anything else, which come from things like age, capital, dependants, current earning potential, future earning potential, if the field of work is in shortage or oversupply in the country and so on.

The other point on immigration is that due to the eu immigration policy the uk are forced as a result to reduce non eu immigration to compensate for the increase from the eu. Which means we are letting non english speaking people in the country over english speaking people from the commonwealth. Nothing wrong with allowing non english speaking immigrants but english speaking people from the commonwealth should be given the same opportunities as everyone in europe.

I don't know the facts on how difficult it is to enter the UK from a Commonwealth country but let's take your premise and see where it leads. So if you'd like citizens from Commonwealth countries to have the same opportunities for free movement as those in Europe then actually you're arguing for more immigration aren't you? Or alternatively if you want to make it more difficult for European immigrants to enter the UK then equally those from the Commonwealth should find it similarly difficult.

So it's either more immigration or the UK has to make it more difficult for anyone to come here which includes EU and the Commonwealth countries. In effect the Commonwealth countries won't find it any easier by your argument, they'll just be in the same position as those in the EU which means it's now trickier for EU people.

You lot going to be peddling this rubbish up until the ge?

Ah, so if no-one says anything negative about UKIP then you won't say anything positive? Is that a fair trade off?

 

[Meridian]

You lot going to be peddling this rubbish up until the ge?

That's the problem with fixed-term governments, as some of us pointed out when they were proposed: the GE campaign will last at least a year. Previously it was six weeks at worst.

 

[RoboCod]

I was sauntering around Newark yesterday and had a browse at the UKIP "shop". It was interesting nonetheless, if a little odd with some of the remarks that to me verged on paranoia. I headed over to the Tory branch, and just one person was in there.

This journalist suggests the UKIP are a minority in Newark but it didn't look so much to me. Maybe it's just because UKIP were out in force that day.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffee...ries-are-winning-the-ground-war-against-ukip/

 

[robgmun]

I'm not expecting UKIP to win, the Tories are throwing the kitchen sink in this election. Seems like the whole Tory party is there (I haven't seen Grove yet through)

But even UKIP thinks it's a bit of an ask, i expect them to get a strong second, and that's good enough

 

[RoboCod]

Grove? Please elaborate.

 

[arknor]

I only referred to it because someone else had brought it up in this thread. There are many other such episodes that are more recent.

Again, that is your inference. You saying it doesn't make it so.

neither does you saying everyone votes UKIP is racist.
Didn't someone once hack/leak a bunch of stuff from the mods section of the forum and it contained loads of racist stuff?
does that mean anyone who works for ocuk is racist?

 

[robgmun]

Ooops typo, meant every teachers favorite, Michael Gove

 

[Burnsy2023]

But even UKIP thinks it's a bit of an ask, i expect them to get a strong second, and that's good enough

I'm sure this has already been mentioned, but UKIP are unlikely to get a single MP, not necessarily through lack of popular support but due to our voting system. The FPTP system means you need very concentrated support in constituencies which UKIP doesn't have. Whilst it does have around 13% of the popular vote, that means nothing spread across the country.

However much I disagree with UKIP it does highlight how crap the voting system is in this country, but then I suppose that's what we get when we reject AV.

 

[Efour]

I've had to wait a week to type this, but...

No chance.

I voted Lib Dem last time for the "weak" AV reform the lib dems promised and well it went down like a lead balloon so we only have silly "selves" to blame.


Next GE will be a mess and probably a coalition but who the players are we shall see.
Could be anyone's.
I hope Cons get to finish properly what they have started. There's no point trying to roll back stuff ASDA style.

 

[Burnsy2023]

I hope Cons get to finish properly what they have started. There's no point trying to roll back stuff ASDA style.

There is if the policy isn't any good, but again that's all down to perspective.

 

[scorza]

I hope Cons get to finish properly what they have started.

The complete and utter annihilation of social cohesion in the UK?

 

[RoboCod]

The complete and utter annihilation of social cohesion in the UK?

No, Labour began that

 

[Duke]

The complete and utter annihilation of social cohesion in the UK?

He didn't say Labour.

 

[Efour]

The complete and utter annihilation of social cohesion in the UK?

I meant more their economic experiments which I guess is indirectly what you say too.

 

[robgmun]

The complete and utter annihilation of social cohesion in the UK?

What? Social cohesion that Labour forced multicultural enrichment on us that is now so bad that even David Blunkett is going "whoa there!!"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-previous-generation-immigrants-angriest.html

 

[Gilly]

neither does you saying everyone votes UKIP is racist.

Whoa there a second. Can you point out anywhere that I have said anyone voting for ukip is racist?

If I have ever given that impression it was by mistake. I believe the party is inherently racist and xenophobic, but there are all sorts of reasons people may have for voting for them.

 

[MrMoonX]

Ukip will get torn apart in any debate involving actual policy, as they are a one trick pony, they don't have anything else really

 

[Rilot]

Ukip will get torn apart in any debate involving actual policy, as they are a one trick pony, they don't have anything else really

The thing is, the people they put forward for these debates are actually very good at swinging the discussion back around to immigration. This masks their lack of policies to the hysterical, uneducated masses.

 

[RoboCod]

Whoa there a second. Can you point out anywhere that I have said anyone voting for ukip is racist?

If I have ever given that impression it was by mistake. I believe the party is inherently racist and xenophobic, but there are all sorts of reasons people may have for voting for them.

You guys got it all wrong. The correct generalisation is this:

"All people who vote UKIP think that all people who don't vote UKIP think everyone who votes UKIP are racists".

Got it?

 

[EdGey]

I bloody hope not lets just put it that way.