ISIS and Islamic militants - discussion

badcompany said:
Sooner they are dealt with the better. Happy for those who want to live like that to leave the UK . but they won't be content with the land they have.
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Those that go to fight shouldn't be allowed back in Europe under any circumstances
 
jas72 said:
Those that go to fight shouldn't be allowed back in Europe under any circumstances
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Human rights will prevent that from happening :(.

Best we can hope for is life in jail if they are even caught on reentry. Providing we can even prove they were there and carried out anything unlawful.
 
I'm leaning towards the idea that we should do everything possible to wipe out these fanatics before they gain more ground. I reckon the consequences of arming/training/assisting the Kurds will be small fry compared to what will happen if IS are allowed to take root.

Cut them out now and don't allow the cancer to grow.

The whole thing seems like a bit of a joke to me seeing as it's likely that none of this would have happened if the west had just left the ME alone in the first place.
 
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Housey said:
There are various factions within Kurdistan as well as within Iraq. They all working together at the moment, but there are still 'teams' for want of a better word.
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From some light reading the situation regarding the Kurds and Turkey is quite a mess with the main groups not having the clout with the more radical groups to keep them from operating against Turkey and things have only settled down for the moment due to mutual need of all parties.

They also seem to need quite some training... in the recent operations they were more at risk of killing each other than killing IS or being killed by IS.
 
The yanks will have teams on the ground, but in a lot of cases they wont be official us armed forces. In sensitive areas the us tends to outsource such work to the big private military companys such as xe, (formerly blackwater), dyn corp, triple canopy etc. They look after us interests without being seen as a heavy us government involvement. Georgia is one area where a few mates of mine have worked, sub contracted through blackwater to train georgian special forces. The likes of the kurds will probably be trained by such people. All experts in their field but low profile.
 
Rroff said:
From some light reading the situation regarding the Kurds and Turkey is quite a mess with the main groups not having the clout with the more radical groups to keep them from operating against Turkey and things have only settled down for the moment due to mutual need of all parties.

They also seem to need quite some training... in the recent operations they were more at risk of killing each other than killing IS or being killed by IS.
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Spot on.

Too add there are a few small teams out there who are comparable with the very finest forces and it could be argued better in their backyard than virtually all of them. They tend not to be the ones you see on telly of course who are more passionate Kurds with AK47's fighting for their lives.
 
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Harlequin said:
think the turks will be just as upset over an independent Kurdistan , since they want southern turkey and have been killing Turkish nationals in a terrorist campaign for years.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey–PKK_conflict
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Someone who understands that there is still hatred between kurds and turks. You might think it's peaceful between them but I dare you to go into kurdistan with a turkey flag or the other way around.. you wont come back in one peace.

An independent kurdistan means unhappy turkey
 
Thompson_NCL said:
The truce was that the Kurds and ISIS would stop killing each other, not to work together. I'm in favour of not only arming the Kurds, but helping them to establish an independent Kurdistan. They seem to be one of the few secular and benign groups in the Middle East.
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+1
 
According to reports, just shy of 400 Yazidi men captured by IS have been murdered in Kocho in Northern Iraq.

In my opinion, if we can bring about the downfall of these IS savages at the cost of arming, training and providing close air support to the Peshmerga without having to commit our own troops (save for a small special forces presence perhaps), then we should be all over it. Given the ideology IS follows, I fear that we're going to have to fight them sooner or later, better to do it now, before they can become more established.
 
If we do intervene and assist in the fight against IS, I'm really interested to see what will happen here in the UK.

Will the nutters flying the IS/Jihad flags get out to the streets, protesting and foaming at the mouth? If so, can we take the opportunity to kick them out of the country (ie: Send them to join their mates) or is that too much to ask?
 
The Funktopus said:
According to reports, just shy of 400 Yazidi men captured by IS have been murdered in Kocho in Northern Iraq.

In my opinion, if we can bring about the downfall of these IS savages at the cost of arming, training and providing close air support to the Peshmerga without having to commit our own troops (save for a small special forces presence perhaps), then we should be all over it. Given the ideology IS follows, I fear that we're going to have to fight them sooner or later, better to do it now, before they can become more established.
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Exactly, you can't reason with these people, you can't make a deal, you meet them with superior firepower, training, and men. theres no other option.

Or, just arm and train the kurds and hope they do a good job? :D
 
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