They have been proven. You just won't accept the proof. So as I say, get yourself over there and see for yourself.
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They have been proven. You just won't accept the proof. So as I say, get yourself over there and see for yourself.
3 battalions worth of tanks have been moved from Russia into Ukraine (there are photos to back it up) though whether they were delivered to the rebels or controlled by Russian forces or even rebel controlled tanks allowed to use Russian territory to move around is unclear.
Likewise approximate numbers for a support regiment were seen but again unclear who they actually were with the most likely explanation being PMC types.
Likewise approximate numbers for a support regiment were seen but again unclear who they actually were with the most likely explanation being PMC types.
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If there is a world war 3, i am not sure if I would stick around to take part. Its so easy to travel to another country. Would the population of countries flee in this day and age before they went in to underground bunkers? Could we even fit all the people in underground bunkers? Would they close the airports, what about the ships?
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(above is Ukraine government source so I can't vouch for it's accuracy but seems legit and ties back to what media outlets are reporting on the ground)
https://twitter.com/NSDC_ua/status/506388201159016448
Things aren't going well for Ukraine now Russia has appeared to finally made up it's mind and commit to the forces and equipment to support separatists. The government troops have lost Luhansk airport and gaining ground in Donetsk and they've been able to take 700 soldiers since their offensive has been backup by Russia.
What underground bunkers? AFAIK at the height of the cold war, our biggest nuclear bunker was big enough for 4,000 people - and was reserved for government minister and civil servants. You can read about it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/content/articles/2005/12/14/burlington_nuclear_bunker_feature.shtml I bet we have nothing like that now
I imagine in the event of WW3 breaking out it'd be more difficult than you imagine to leave the country.
If WW3 ever occured, and nuclear weapons were used - it'd make absolutely no difference whatsoever what country you were in..
I think the Russians have planned this to the nth degree, they know exactly how far they can go and who with, I think it's a terrible way to behave - but the Russian government seems to think differently than everyone else,
I think the Russians have planned this to the nth degree, they know exactly how far they can go and who with, I think it's a terrible way to behave - but the Russian government seems to think differently than everyone else,
No they haven't. Hearsay, circumstantial evidence and twisted journalism do not prove it.
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Everything is going to be hearsay unless you're there first hand.
So by following your application of logic there do you believe anything you've not seen yourself? Am I real? After all, you've not seen me type this. I could be someone else masquerading as me.
Well, I imagine the residents of the Pitcairn Islands would probably be OK.
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http://atocrimea.ukrinform.ua/en/news/human-rights-watch-pro-russian-militants-torture-civilians-in-donbas
A taste of what can be expected if the Russians and Rebals get their way.
A taste of what can be expected if the Russians and Rebals get their way.
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Still waiting for the massive offensive from Ukraine. Where's the rest of it's military?
I wish Nato would get off the fence and act. How can they stand by and allow a fellow EU nation (that hosted the last world cup ffs!) be either directly invaded by, or indirectly invaded (supply of arms, supplies, ammo etc) by its Neighbour is beyond me. This isnt some obscure corner of the globe we are talking about this is happening right on our doorstep and yet they seem powerless much to Putins glee.
Ukraines military is essentially stuck in a timewarp from 1980 at its conception, it has no previous military experience and cannot cope with the task at hand. Rather than let this drag on for another 6 months send in a peace keeping force to create a ceasefire and maintain the border to prevent further arming of the rebels.
Ukraines military is essentially stuck in a timewarp from 1980 at its conception, it has no previous military experience and cannot cope with the task at hand. Rather than let this drag on for another 6 months send in a peace keeping force to create a ceasefire and maintain the border to prevent further arming of the rebels.
NATO != EU, and Ukraine are not a member of NATO.
Your point? Bosnia wasnt either yet that didnt stop them.
Actually it did. The UN stepped in, instead, and asked NATO.
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Closed minds is the one thing this thread is full of
Ok then how about this: who said this was a direct invasion by Moscow? If Putin wanted to invade Ukraine he'd have sent the russian army in proper and the russian flag would have been flying over Kiev weeks if not months ago. A few russian volunteers, perhaps even some russian generals acting under their own impetus does not equal a wholesale invasion. There are always going to be those sympathetic to the rebels who are going to enlist over the border, lord knows we have enough Britons fighting for IS in Iraq.
My guess is Putin is turning a blind eye to anyone wanting to fight in Ukraine, maybe he even secretly supports the rebels, lord knows the West is hypocritical enough and turns a blind eye whenever it suits us, Qatar, Bahrain, you name it. But a full scale invasion? I don't buy it. I think he simply wants autonomy of the East, which he was caling for only a few days ago, but Kiev won't have any of that, its total control or nothing, hence the conflict. And the war of words which keeps getting more and more hysterical in the West.
The problem with it is that because Ukraine, Ukrainian rebels, and Russia all use mostly visually identical equipment it's like looking for a piece of hay in a haystack, if you do manage to find some you have no way of knowing if it's the hay you're looking for.
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