Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Dis86 said:
I can see both your knowledge of tanks and eyes have issues. The t72 amg is a completely unique looking variant for a start as the armour looks almost like a smooth shell.

I will point out again that the Ukrainian variants have multiple smaller plates located on the turret fronts and upper hull glacis plate. The Russian variants have fewer, five sets either side the main gun and any on the hull are much smoother and less prominent.

This is even evident in cats own pictures which he somehow denied and started babbling on about the sights - things which changed between the t72 bm1 2 and 3 variants. There are also a number of upgrades for each of those. For example the bm2 had three major phases with only the final one receiving more modern commander and gunner vision upgrades.a
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All those T72BM's(earlier version) have modified new sights.

You do get what was one of the main reasons for the B1 and BM were,don't you??

It was not only about protection but also improving aiming too.

It was a huge defiency of the original design.

Yes,just resort to name calling.

Dis86 said:
The older models wouldn't stand a chance against current Ukrainian tech.
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So bascially they would send models without proper sights to fight against upgraded Ukranian army models which have such upgrades in place.

This is a video of T72BM's on the Russian side of the Ukranian border taken a few months ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u96GroW1rec

They have sights(large square boxes on the right side of the turret),and full side skirt armour.

The Russians have deployed whole battalions of T90s and modern T72 versions to that part of Russia since it encompasses the districts which contain Moscow and St Petersburg.

Oh wait,they send versions lacking modern aiming systems in first against modernised T80/T84 variants.

Oh,got you.

All you are looking at is a grainy blurry picture,and jumping to conclusions. No one can even independently verify when it was taken or even where.

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Look at the video the turret on the Russian tanks has 5 ERA blocks,but the one in the blurry picture has 4.

Three are spaced apart with the last two tightly joined together.

The tank in the blurry picture only has two blocks spaced apart with the last two joined together.

Plus where is the boxy housing on the front right of the turret housing the upgraded sights??

Russian T72 MBTs near Ukranian border a few months ago.

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Russian tank in Ukraine.

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Remember this - when the USSR collapsed Russia had stationed some of its newest equipment on Ukranian soil including most of its Tu160 bombers,its best Mig29s,most of its Mi26s,etc and much of its best and newest equipment. The Ukranian armed forces had examples of nearly every major land and air system the Russians had.Ukraine would have been the staging area for any Soviet advance into Europe. So even the claims there are NO T72B's in Ukraine is pushing it. FFS,Russia needed to barter a billlion USD of gas just to get some of their Tu160s and Tu95s back.

The T64 tank was not exported outside Russia and yet Ukraine has loads of them and that and the T80 were considered too important to export.

No one doubts Russia is aiding the rebels,but it does not mean everything published is 100% correct or believable.

Unlike you I am going to wait until we have some better resolution and verifiable pictures of said tanks before instantly making my mind up its definitely a Russian one.

Having said that at the rate the **** is hitting the fan we might find out sooner rather than later IMHO.
 
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I havent kept up with the thread...

However, it is stupid to deny that russia has troops in Ukraine...

I still dont think we have the right to lecture them on it, given our record... We are even worse.
 
RedDanDoc said:
Me neither thought it appears to have turned into a Tank thread.:p
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The TLDR is that many media articles have been doing the rounds that a tank which was reportedly never sold/exported outside Russia has been seen in Ukraine (so must have come from Russia), the reality is however that the tank in question was never sold/exported outside the USSR (which contained both Russia and Ukraine) and so if the rebels have been raiding military stores (as the media have previously accused them of) they will have access to them. Add to that some Ukrainian tanks of the same type use the same armour and are visually identical (it was the armour the media were touting as proof of identification) plus the armour itself is readily available in Ukraine (as it can be used on multiple tanks).

Basically what it all boils down to is that a single analyst from the IISS (British company that collects/sells info on countries military capabilities) made a statement that proved incorrect and the media ran with it
 
Last thing Putin wants is a rotational NATO force right on his border, so he might have backed down (unlikely), more likely is the 'truce' means nothing, and Putin is going to carry on.
 
So all this came about because Russians were butt hurt about Ukraine wanting stronger ties with Europe, and yet its exactly because of this unofficial invasion that now the majority of Ukraine have a grudge to bear and will strive even harder for NATO and EU. Yep that should do it!
 
Firestar_3x said:
Last thing Putin wants is a rotational NATO force right on his border, so he might have backed down (unlikely), more likely is the 'truce' means nothing, and Putin is going to carry on.
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That would be my guess - it'll be like that "safe corridor" he promised to allow surrounded Ukrainian troops to get back to their side, then when they used it the Russian troops opened fire :(
 
Narj said:
I raised an eyebrow, too. Constant denials then this, which pretty much say that he does have a hand in it. :(
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Russia has been negotiating on the rebels behalf since the beginning as Kiev refuses to speak to them as it classes them all as terrorists.

Hopefully the rebels will agree to the ceasefire too, and hopefully Kiev will honour it this time.
 
ubersonic said:
Russia has been negotiating on the rebels behalf since the beginning as Kiev refuses to speak to them as it classes them all as terrorists.

Hopefully the rebels will agree to the ceasefire too, and hopefully Kiev will honour it this time.
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How do you know? Have you actually seen these things with your own eyes?
 
arknor said:
how can only 1,000 Russian soldiers be enough to tip the balance, where's the rest of the Ukraine army hiding at
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It depends on the troops in question, where they are at the time and what the Ukrainian army is doing.
I'm guessing that the Ukranian army is probably split quite heavily between fighting the "separatists" in the active area, trying to contain them in other areas, and maintain their border and prevent further Russian troops taking their tanks and other armoured vehicles on a vacation.

1000 troops is quite a large number, especially if they're properly trained and fully equipped including armour if your force is expecting to meet 1000 less armed opposition, and for that armed opposition to be (as I think was the case) running low on heavy weapons, little armour and short on ammo.

The unexpected appearance of a few hundred fully trained and equipped troops at the right (wrong?) time has turned the tide of a lot of battles in the past.
 
scorza said:
So the western media says, which as we know is just as bad as Russia Today. Can't trust either of them :D
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But when it's being reported by the western media, and the Ukrainian media, and RT, and the rebels social media it's a pretty conclusive picture.


Werewolf said:
The unexpected appearance of a few hundred fully trained and equipped troops at the right (wrong?) time has turned the tide of a lot of battles in the past.
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Considering what 300 Spartans did I think 1000 Spetznas would be unstoppable :P
 
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