Except it's not. As has already been stated, which you ignored, the tanks present are a visually distinctive t-72 variant which is only used by Russia - it has confidential armour that they don't want anyone else getting their hands on. The vehicles are also deep in rebel held territory so cannot belong to the Ukrainian forces.
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Except it's not. As has already been stated, which you ignored, the tanks present are a visually distinctive t-72 variant which is only used by Russia - it has confidential armour that they don't want anyone else getting their hands on. The vehicles are also deep in rebel held territory so cannot belong to the Ukrainian forces.
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Actually Ukraine has an updated T72 model called the T72AM "Banan" which actually integrates ERA similar to Russian upgraded T72 MBTs:
http://www.jedsite.info/tanks-tango/tango-numbers-su/t72_series/banan/banan-intro.html
Ukraine has even sold ERA equipped upgraded T72 MBTs with ERA to other countries like Ethiopia:
http://defense-update.com/20110610_ethiopia_t72.html#.VAXpYmOTE21
Ukraine actually makes its on tanks(based on the T80) and sells some deep modernisation packages for the T72.
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Here is a picture of a Russian T72B1:
http://defense-update.com/20131106_t72b1_deployment.html#.VAXrC2OTE20
Look at the ERA location on the turrets of both models.
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From what I recall the Ukrainian AM variant has much smaller reactive panels. The Russian BM variant has large composite panels.
They look totally different.
Infact, that site you linked to shows the differences quite well and highlights them as being specific recognition points.
They look totally different.
Infact, that site you linked to shows the differences quite well and highlights them as being specific recognition points.
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Nope,since they are based on the same type of reactive armour plates,ie,Kontakt series.
In fact look at the plates on this purported Russian T72. They look closer to the Ukranian T72AM.
Russian ERA equipped T72.
Ukranian ERA equipped T72.
The plates in the leaked video are smaller as they don't extend down the full length of the front turret which is closer to what is seen with upgraded Ukranian T72 MBTs.
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Cat, I have to ask if you actually have vision problems.
On your top image of the tanks spotted in ukraine you can see 4 wide angled plated either side of the main gun. This is the distinctive feature of the Russian variant which you show next.
The Ukrainian variant has multiple plates all over the upper glacis plate and eight rows of smaller plates on the turret.
The Russian variant has no plates on the hull at all.
On your top image of the tanks spotted in ukraine you can see 4 wide angled plated either side of the main gun. This is the distinctive feature of the Russian variant which you show next.
The Ukrainian variant has multiple plates all over the upper glacis plate and eight rows of smaller plates on the turret.
The Russian variant has no plates on the hull at all.
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Yet despite your great vision you also cannot see the difference in the front armour sections of both tanks too.
The front lip on the T72B1 is much longer two and has a pair of riveted hatches too.
Look at the mud flaps too on the front part of the threads too.
The T72B1 has a curved surface to the mud guards yet look at the purported picture and the mud guards are quite wide.
Look at video capture. The mud guards are angled.
There is also incomplete side armour on the purported tank too.
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Lets look at the video capture too again.
Where are the new sites for the gunners and commander??
That is one of the main upgrades for the T72B1.
They are not in the purported tank.
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They're not riveted hatches, they're an additional armour pack used in certain zones.
Note the rail below them that the Ukrainian variant doesn't posses but the one in the capture does.
The mud guards are flexible and under motion will flatten out when travelling at speed hence the flattening and spreading.
Since we're editting, what I'd actually propose is that the tank in the video is the B2 1989g variant. Slightly older.
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The mud guards are totally different though.
Look at the attachment points and shape.
The T72B1 expands to a lip and is flat.
The one on the video has a constant length attachment point,and is angled.
Here is an earlier T72BM:
http://media.desura.com/images/groups/1/3/2074/T-72BM_2.jpg
Same difference. The front end of the top armour extends to a lip so the front mud guard is wider and protrudes out.
The tank in the picture does not have it.
Its an earlier variant than either of the T72B models that has been upgraded.
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Again look at the central portion of tank.
The lip on the one in the video capture is much shorter.
Plus if you look at the videos of the T72BM/T72B1 the top plate is rigid and does not spread out even at speed.
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However,TBH its all a moot point since we know Russia is helping the rebels anyway.
The west, esp the US, has done this multiple times over the years. We've indirectly toppled numerous regimes and supported various factions in civil wars when we think it helps our interests.
How is what Russia is doing any different?
Aren't we really just massively hypocritical if we condemn Russia here?
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I agree that the pot calling the kettle black is being hypocritical but OFC we also have the right to oppose them too if it suits our interests,but I wish the more powerful countries would just be more honest instead of all this "we are morally better than you" oneupmanship which really is more for the general public feeling better about themselves IMHO.
No powerful country has got to where it is through being nice.
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one question Dis.
Why would Russia if they wanted to send tanks, send a specific model that only they posses and have not sold to anyone and so immediately out themselves as having supplied the tanks.
when they could have just supplied the common export type or even the Ukrainian type?
It seems more logical that some group in Ukrainian would mock up a tank to look Russian than Russia would be so stupid to supply irrefutable evidence of thier involvement.
Because simply put Russia don't give an actual crap. They'll send what they have to hand.
look at the size of the radiation cloud from the small fire that was Chernobyl, imagine the disaster if one or more nuclear facilities where hit by nuclear weapons.
but they have much much more of the older models.
One thing to topple a regime, quite another to annex parts of another country. When is the last time any country in the West has done that? Merkel, Barosso, Obama etc. don't care much about Ukraine but they do care about big countries taking chunks of other countries in Europe, one of the few regions of the world that are supposed to be stable, safe.
When I see some of the people on these boards who blame the US for this mess, I feel like some of my blood vessels are about the burst. Obama, who has been trying to make cuts in military spending, who withdrew troops, closed bases in the Middle East, now has to fund, what was it, seven more in Eastern Europe? And he wanted this all along? Stupid.
The US/West have a lot of answer for but not this. This is 100% Mother Russia at work.
The older models wouldn't stand a chance against current Ukrainian tech.
I told him that further up the page but he ignored it (Ukraine also has another tank the T72AMG that also uses Kontakt-5).
And the Ukranian ones that use Kontakt-5 as they look visually identical apart from markings >.>
Because like I said earlier, the tank in question was actually supplied/exported outside Russia, it was just never sold/supplied/exported outside the USSR, and the media seem to be using Russia to refer to the USSR in a way that is contextually wrong to the point of being misleading.
Indeed, although technically a T-72 is an older model itself.
What do you think they're using? the majority of tanks Ukraine has in active service are T-64's (the older models) that were upgraded in the 1990's. The rest are a mix of T-84's (more modernized T-64's) and upgraded T-72's (including ones with the same armour as the Russian T-72BM's)
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I can see both your knowledge of tanks and eyes have issues. The t72 amg is a completely unique looking variant for a start as the armour looks almost like a smooth shell.
I will point out again that the Ukrainian variants have multiple smaller plates located on the turret fronts and upper hull glacis plate. The Russian variants have fewer, five sets either side the main gun and any on the hull are much smoother and less prominent.
This is even evident in cats own pictures which he somehow denied and started babbling on about the sights - things which changed between the t72 bm1 2 and 3 variants. There are also a number of upgrades for each of those. For example the bm2 had three major phases with only the final one receiving more modern commander and gunner vision upgrades.a
I will point out again that the Ukrainian variants have multiple smaller plates located on the turret fronts and upper hull glacis plate. The Russian variants have fewer, five sets either side the main gun and any on the hull are much smoother and less prominent.
This is even evident in cats own pictures which he somehow denied and started babbling on about the sights - things which changed between the t72 bm1 2 and 3 variants. There are also a number of upgrades for each of those. For example the bm2 had three major phases with only the final one receiving more modern commander and gunner vision upgrades.a
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