Motorsport Off Topic Thread

Skeeter said:
If you ban all setup information yet leave the cars infinitely configurable you won't find out who the best driver is, you will just have a game of pot luck as to who set their default settings up best before taping all the buttons down and praying. Do we really want to see a car off the pace because nobody told the driver to twist a dial?
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Take all the assistance away and you'll find out exactly who the best driver is.

They will be coached in the most important procedures and it's a good thing if half of the functions are removed or redundant.
 
JRS said:
How do you know?

I'm serious here. Maybe it'll turn out all along that everyone on the grid has been getting help from the pit wall and....oh, I dunno, Sergio Perez is actually the most naturally talented driver since Gilles Villeneuve. Ban all radio, telemetry et al and we might find out.
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Agree, I have said for years the driver feedback on anything other than over steer and understeer has been over played for years considering the amount they know from data already. Remove it all from the steering wheel and let the driver make corrections based on his hands and feet rather than a switch setting.

If it was all removed from the wheel and they weren't allowed to alter it from the pits then by all means tell the driver they are tight on fuel or need to put in consistent faster laps. Don't though tell them to change to mode 6 as you need to go faster. It seems then that the driver is just needed to steer and push a pedal. The parameters they can work to are constantly dictated to them.

Skeeter said:
Lewis was unaware of what one of the buttons on his wheel was a few races back.
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IIRC it wasn't that he didn't know what they were, he was struggling with how much was on the wheel so he wanted it simplifying to how Mclaren had it?

All this stuff helps the drivers that are not the best in the world close the gap to those that are. Even in teams where a driver has been beaten all season the lap time difference for a driver is less than 1% of the over all cars time. Yet people waste all season arguing over who is the best :D All that stuff should be stripped from the steering wheel and let the driver do it. If Lewis is much better on fuel than Nico then let him increase that advantage by not having an electronic setting help Nico regulate his fuel.

F1 has become far to complicated to understand for those outside of these threads. Yes you understand what they are doing when they select mode 6 for engine but to anyone wishing to get into the sport it just looks like another method of the cars doing all the work. As I said before without hooking a new generation of kids the sport cannot survive and I know no one under the age of 25-30 remotely interested in the sport. Even at work when we watch it none of the apprentices or sub 30's are even vaguely interested. It's all the nostalgic old men :D

Of course that's just my experience with the circles I mix in, but not having free to air isn't going to help either, but I can't think of anyone outside of forums where I speak to people under 25 who even express an interest in F1 :(
 
And there's the issue with the FIAs knee jerk reaction.

Banning the messages and removing all the complexity from the cars would be a good move. But that's not what they are doing, they are banning the messages but leaving the cars as is. Its why it should be an end of season change not a random mid season directive.

It's like giving someone every item in IKEA in one pile and asking them to build it without instructions. Whereas giving them just a bed and a wardrobe without instructions they could probably manage. Changing the process without changing the car is retarded.
 
Yeah totally agree, all changes like this and ones in years before that were legal and then ruled against the spirit of the rules in my view should happen for the new season. Which again brings me to my thought that I believe there is more to this than we know.
 
Skeeter said:
Banning the messages and removing all the complexity from the cars would be a good move. But that's not what they are doing, they are banning the messages but leaving the cars as is. Its why it should be an end of season change not a random mid season directive.
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That I agree with, especially the highlighted part.
 
I think the FIA have proved time and again that they are willing to push through poorly thought through changes in the off chance that it will create chaos and therefore excitement.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Yeah totally agree, all changes like this and ones in years before that were legal and then ruled against the spirit of the rules in my view should happen for the new season. Which again brings me to my thought that I believe there is more to this than we know.
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I think its more of a case of the FIA not thinking about it at all rather than there being more too it.

They are investing loads of time and effort in attempting to appease casual fans, yet not actually thinking through what they are saying. Like... what the penalty for breaching this rule is?
 
Skeeter is speaking a huge amount of sense over the last couple of pages. I can only agree with all of it.

FIA, sit back, take a deep breath, and wait until the end of the season before making changes such as this and let the teams make the changes they need too.
 
"nico, do you want yellow bananas at five? or would you prefer green tomatoes at six?"

not performance related at all.. but could be translated as such if need be...
 
The_Abyss said:
Skeeter is speaking a huge amount of sense over the last couple of pages. I can only agree with all of it.

FIA, sit back, take a deep breath, and wait until the end of the season before making changes such as this and let the teams make the changes they need too.
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Thanks.

As always with the FIA, even if their random rule generator does produce something mildly sensible, they still find the most backwards and retarded way to impliment it.
 
So with this retarded ban, will we not just be seeing a lot more of the relevant messages going onto the pit boards/steering wheels?
 
There is no way to send commands to the cars from the pits. The telemetry link is 1 way only (car to pits), so they can't send messages to the screen or anything. The only ways to get instructions to the driver are through the radio or pit board. We may see engine mappings and things going on the pit boards more, but I have no idea how the FIA would react to driver coaching information on the boards? Does the ban apply to all communication about driver performance, or just radio?
 
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/09/15/wehrlein-named-mercedes-reserve-driver/

Here's a hint as to why the ban should not be brought in mid-season. Toto Wolff confirming the reasons behind appointing Wehrlein as Mercedes reserve driver.

“Aside from Nico [Rosberg] and Lewis [Hamilton], he is the driver most familiar with all the procedures of our F1 W05 Hybrid and therefore the right choice for the role of reserve driver,” said Mercedes motorsport director Toto Wolff.

Not fast (although I'm sure he is). Not potential. Not a learning experience to benefit him and the team. No. He's the most experienced with the procedures of actually operating the complexity of the car. Complexities that were based around constant communication between driver and engineer. That cannot be removed mid way through the season.
 
Not only that, I don't really agree with changing any rules mid-season where it isn't truly necessary, like for safety reasons or a blatant loophole to bypass rules.

Ideally the rules should be laid out and those are the rules which are used for that season of racing, changing that mid-season is just in poor taste... What is to say one driver has not made full advantage of a particular rule up to that point and now is at an advantage.
 
The FIA says "Cut Costs!"
The FIA says "Change your car design every year!"
The FIA says "Change your car design mid year too!"
The FIA says "Change the whole way you work, mid year, or whenever we feel like it!"
The FIA says "Oh and thats now banned too, go make a new one!"
The FIA says "And that, we don't like it!"
The FIA says "Oh no wait, that can't be banned because Renault complained, throw all that work away, its allowed again!"
The FIA says "Curve ball! New tyres, from next weekend!"
The FIA says "New restrictions on tyre use, redesign your suspensions and setup!"
The FIA says "FRICs banned, reset all your reset setups!"
The FIA says "No talking in the Classroom on the radio!"
The FIA says "WHY WONT ANYONE HELP US CUT COSTS!"
 
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SoliD said:
So with this retarded ban, will we not just be seeing a lot more of the relevant messages going onto the pit boards/steering wheels?
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Messages via anything are not allowed regarding driver performance.

So pit boards are not allowed, coded messages are banned too. They can't inform drivers of rival sector times and where they are faster etc...


Personally I'm in favour of giving all this a go, I want to see drivers make their own decisions and see who has the extra mental capacity and act accordingly without being told what to do. Obviously the FIA need to make it absolutely clear as to what is and isn't allowed, as long as that is sorted then its got my approval.
 
Absolutely ****

Especially as it says help with Drs failure is permitted. But no such inclusion for ers. So if ers starts failing, you'll have to retire.

Absolutely **** rule change.

Shimmy said:
, I want to see drivers make their own decisions and see who has the extra mental capacity and act accordingly without being told what to do.
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This Si also rubbish, just being told, doesn't mean the driver can do it. Just like NICO was told and could not match LH even remotely on the Chicano.

Some people seem to think giving info is actually driving the car for them, it's not and receiving the info doesn't mean they can act on it.
 
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