Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Danny75 said:
The man who's been murdered was no threat to Putin at all. In fact, you'd reckon Putin would be glad to have him there in opposition for as long as he liked. So it's frankly silly to suggest Putin would have something to gain out of this. Rather the contrary, there is the risk of socio-political destabilization in Russia beginning. Cui bono.
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Look pal, however hard you try to make yourself look like a troll don't bother, we get it. Putin sends a clear message to those who would oppose him, it is as simple as that. There is NO WAY of "socio-political destabilization" in Russia, the amount of propaganda, brainwashing and intimidation reaches unprecedented levels hard to imagine to people in country like Britain. The only way to dethrone a tsar in Russia is a military coup (like the one in 1991). And that's not gonna happen because Putin's got it covered (ATM top brass got their little war they can fix their minds on).

Danny75 said:
What's Putin's approval rating again?
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Propaganda, brainwashing, intimidation.... remember?
 
Final interview with Boris Nemtsov, hours before dying:

http://www.newsweek.com/final-interview-boris-nemtsov-310392

For now, we’re drowning. Everyone. Due to the policy of Vladimir Putin, a country with unparalleled potential is sinking, an economy which accumulated untold currency reserves is collapsing.

The West, the U.S. and Europe are moving forward, and what is our government doing? It comes up with some desperate ideas, wants to regulate prices, subsidizes state-owned companies to let its people on the boards earn even more. And worst of all, this government wades into a costly, fratricidal war in Ukraine and into pointless confrontation with the West.

Putin programmed my countrymen to hate strangers. He persuaded them that we need to rebuild the former Soviet order, and that the position of Russia in the world depends entirely on how much the world is afraid of us. He managed to do all these things with Goebbels-style propaganda.

I think it's quite possible that someone read/heard this interview, passed on the information and the decision was made to terminate him. Let me add that it's quite disgusting to hear people on this forum rant about conspiracies to destabilise Russia. Who in the West and in their right mind would not want to one day cooperate internationally with such a decent, intelligent man?
 
Zethor said:
Final interview with Boris Nemtsov, hours before dying:

http://www.newsweek.com/final-interview-boris-nemtsov-310392

For now, we’re drowning. Everyone. Due to the policy of Vladimir Putin, a country with unparalleled potential is sinking, an economy which accumulated untold currency reserves is collapsing.

The West, the U.S. and Europe are moving forward, and what is our government doing? It comes up with some desperate ideas, wants to regulate prices, subsidizes state-owned companies to let its people on the boards earn even more. And worst of all, this government wades into a costly, fratricidal war in Ukraine and into pointless confrontation with the West.

Putin programmed my countrymen to hate strangers. He persuaded them that we need to rebuild the former Soviet order, and that the position of Russia in the world depends entirely on how much the world is afraid of us. He managed to do all these things with Goebbels-style propaganda.

I think it's quite possible that someone read/heard this interview, passed on the information and the decision was made to terminate him. Let me add that it's quite disgusting to hear people on this forum rant about conspiracies to destabilise Russia. Who in the West and in their right mind would not want to one day cooperate internationally with such a decent, intelligent man?
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1) Everyone with more than 1 brain cell in the head, in the west, understands that this guy is hopeless and will never be a President in the Russia... A.k.a he is worthless alive to the west. Dead, is another story.

2) This is the same guy who talked that if he is in power, he will remove Russia`s nuclear arsenal.

3) This guy been found to be financially supported by the West, rightly so, if he came to power, it would be amazing for us... Russia which abides by our rules and does not have nukes, dream come true.

Now wake up and realize what a joke of a person this is to a normal Russian on the street and weigh in his chances of ever even getting 1% votes in the election polls.

To Putin this guy is so much more worth Alive because it shows "democracy" and portrays opposition as a joke due to their policies.
 
maltrabob said:
Look pal, however hard you try to make yourself look like a troll don't bother, we get it.
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Word of advice - don't use the term "we" and portray yourself as speaking for everyone. Have some courage and speak for yourself.

And no, I don't think you get how gullible you are if you believe Nemtsov was assassinated on Putin's orders.


Zethor said:
Let me add that it's quite disgusting to hear people on this forum rant about conspiracies
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Pot, meet kettle.

And of course there is no destabilization being attempted against Russia. The political and economic sanctions, the constant threats and ramping up of propaganda against Russia, it's all just a figment of my imagination.

Or maybe not.
 
Danny75 said:
Pot, meet kettle.

And of course there is no destabilization being attempted against Russia. The political and economic sanctions, the constant threats and ramping up of propaganda against Russia, it's all just a figment of my imagination.

Or maybe not.
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It hasnt even been a full day since murder of the guy and all front pages are essentially screaming "Putin Murdered Nemtsov in cold blood, himself, right outside Kremlin"

One of Baltic states President already made a statement which read that this is clear example of Russian state terrorizing its own citizens.

Its just crazy when world leaders resort to those kind of words.

At best, we should require and independent inquiry into the case, rather than let Putin handle it.

No one has the right to draw conclusions less than 24hrs from the event, especially on PRESIDENT level.

Disgusting.
 
Danny75 said:
And no, I don't think you get how gullible you are if you believe Nemtsov was assassinated on Putin's orders.
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Hardly, there's a long history of assassinations of political opponents and journalists in Russia. None of them were particular threats to Putin. It's just how he operates.
 
Putin didn't have to order it, he just tolerates ring wing extremist, xenophobes, neonazis and they support their fearless leader by killing opponents because they can.

As for arek and Danny, you only need oulton's contribution and the off their meds Putin admirers team is complete.
 
Jokester said:
Hardly, there's a long history of assassinations of political opponents and journalists in Russia. None of them were particular threats to Putin. It's just how he operates.
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Even know I can throw the "Tin-Foil Hat" at this comment, I wont.

Since I am not gullible, Putin indeed, has been involved in some rather dark things in Russia.

However, with little common sense, one understands that the current murder, carries negative impact on Putin.

He knows that the whole world is watching him due to Ukraine, this really isnt the time to do things like that... Makes zero sense, especially knowing how smart he is.
 
Putin didn't have to order it, he just tolerates ring wing extremist, xenophobes, neonazis and they support their fearless leader by killing opponents because they can.
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Wait so Putin didnt order/murder personally this guy? :confused: Cause the Media makes it seem like he did it himself.

I can personally buy the version that one of his less smart "underdogs" gone a bit wild and did this... and that following person would most likely dissapear from existence very soon, and no one will ever even hear about it...

Doesnt change the fact that almost certainly Putin had no intentions what-so-ever of getting rid of this Nemtsov and things have just gone very wrong and caused a massive head-ache to him.


As for arek and Danny, you only need oulton's contribution and the off their meds Putin admirers team is complete.
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Fine Goebbells tactic here, make your opponent seem sub-human (insane + Putin-Fanboi) so instantly, that grants the "all your arguments are invalid" buff.
 
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areksnumbr1sxylady said:
Even know I can throw the "Tin-Foil Hat" at this comment, I wont.

Since I am not gullible, Putin indeed, has been involved in some rather dark things in Russia.

However, with little common sense, one understands that the current murder, carries negative impact on Putin.

He knows that the whole world is watching him due to Ukraine, this really isnt the time to do things like that... Makes zero sense, especially knowing how smart he is.
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It has absolutely never bothered him that people are watching. His position is one of showing absolute strength. Why do you think he wants to be seen to take personal control of the investigation? Whether he ordered the killing himself or merely presides over a regime that protects him in return for him protecting them it makes no odds. Russia is a mafia state.

There's no tin foil hats to be worn here, plenty of evidence to say the Russian state engages in dirty activities.
 
It has absolutely never bothered him that people are watching.

Yes it has, why do you think Hodorkovsky was sent to jail rather than being murdered?

Why do you think he was allowed to walk?

Because him being in jail, caused more trouble to Putin than him being outside, him being murdered, caused more trouble than him being in Jail.

Putin is a calculative person.

You should look into his rise to power in 2000`s, he didnt focus on political Murders, because he knew that it backfired... Instead he set up his opponents to be publicly shamed.

Nemtsov alive, is public shaming and was beneficial to Putin. Nemtsov dead carries absolutely 0 benefits and 120 negatives.

There's no tin foil hats to be worn here, plenty of evidence to say the Russian state engages in dirty activities.
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100% agree with you here.

However, who are we comparing against? USA has been found and still is found of very foul play with CIA and torture.

Vatican has been said to have a very corrupt and brutal hierachy.

Did you know that there is Amish Mafia?
 
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areksnumbr1sxylady said:
It has absolutely never bothered him that people are watching.

Yes it has, why do you think Hodorkovsky was sent to jail rather than being murdered?

Why do you think he was allowed to walk?

Because him being in jail, caused more trouble to Putin than him being outside, him being murdered, caused more trouble than him being in Jail.

Putin is a calculative person.
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Why do you think he was even in jail in the first place?


areksnumbr1sxylady said:
However, who are we comparing against? USA has been found and still is found of very foul play with CIA and torture.

Vatican has been said to have a very corrupt and brutal hierachy.

Did you know that there is Amish Mafia?
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None of which have anything to do with this.
 
Why do you think he was even in jail in the first place?
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Because he was a threat to Putin? Once he was no longer a threat, he was allowed to walk.

You just said that Putin does not care, well why didnt he murder Hodorkovsky? This guys is probably biggest threat Putin ever had.

He didnt murder him because he is smart. Murder of Hodorkovsky would`ve backfired on him. Jailling of Hodorkovsky backfiring on him (not as much as murder). As soon as that guy walked, everyone forgot about his existence... Thats why he walked, because Threat<Pain of Media and world.

None of which have anything to do with this.
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Err what? You do realize that everything in this world, is measured and understood through comparison?

How do you know you are tall? You look at other people....
 
areksnumbr1sxylady said:
Because he was a threat to Putin? Once he was no longer a threat, he was allowed to walk.

You just said that Putin does not care, well why didnt he murder Hodorkovsky? This guys is probably biggest threat Putin ever had.

He didnt murder him because he is smart. Murder of Hodorkovsky would`ve backfired on him. Jailling of Hodorkovsky backfiring on him (not as much as murder). As soon as that guy walked, everyone forgot about his existence... Thats why he walked, because Threat<Pain of Media and world.
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Yes it would be an idiotic thing to think that murdering literally everyone was the only solution to dealing with opponents.

areksnumbr1sxylady said:
Err what? You do realize that everything in this world, is measured and understood through comparison?

How do you know you are tall? You look at other people....
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No it's not. That's an idiotic thing to say. Other nations doing bad stuff has no real revelance on whether it's acceptable or not for any one nation to do bad stuff.
 
Yes it would be an idiotic thing to think that murdering literally everyone was the only solution to dealing with opponents.
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It would be more idiotic to assume that Putin murdered a man who was worth to him more alive (as a joke of opposition) than dead (a martyr for the west)

When he spared this fate to his most feared opponent in fear that his death would back-fire on both world and internal arena... Showing that Putin`s direct order of murder Nemtsov made absolute 0 sense, and disproving your belief that Putin gives zero monkeys about public opinion.

No it's not. That's an idiotic thing to say. Other nations doing bad stuff has no real revelance on whether it's acceptable or not for any one nation to do bad stuff
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That is a very childish and utopian thing to say.

I repeat, everything in current world, is seen through comparison.

Your A-Level, GCSES, SAT, ACT are measured against your ability to perform against your peers.

You simply can not isolate Russia and judge them "perfect" perspective when no other nation is even close.

Its same as calling someone dumb with B`s for GCSE`s while having D`s yourself, while taking exactly same test...
 
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