Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

RoboCod · 28 Feb 2015 at 11:12

An innocent guy, shot for having alternative views to that of the power in place. Appalling.

ThestigGT999 · 28 Feb 2015 at 11:24

False flag like bomb in Ukraine during march

RoboCod · 28 Feb 2015 at 11:27

ThestigGT999 said:
False flag like bomb in Ukraine during march

Lol.

I love some members here. Classic gold.

SarGara · 28 Feb 2015 at 11:29

It would have been in everyone else's interests for him to stay alive and in opposition; the ONLY person who benefits from his death is Putin. Who as scorza pointed out:

"President Putin has assumed "personal control" of the investigation into the killing, said his spokesman Dmitry Peskov"

Great we can all rest at ease!

ThestigGT999 · 28 Feb 2015 at 11:32

One of the possible motives behind Nemtsov’s killing could be to destabilize the political situation in Russia, the Investigative Committee said.

Zethor · 28 Feb 2015 at 11:35

What about the other political opponents Putin had killed or sent to prison? Were they elaborate conspiracies created to "destabilize the political situation in Russia"?

You must be trolling.

jsmoke · 28 Feb 2015 at 11:40

Zethor said:
Did you ever ask yourself why Putin's opponents have the tendency to die due to "business deals" and "ordinary relationships" yet his allies seem to handle life in Russia without issues?

April 2003 - Liberal politician Sergey Yushenkov assassinated near his Moscow home

July 2003 - Investigative journalist Yuri Shchekochikhin died after 16-day mysterious illness

July 2004 - Forbes magazine Russian editor Paul Klebnikov shot from moving car on Moscow street, died later in hospital

October 2006 - Investigative journalist Anna Politkovskaya shot dead outside her Moscow apartment

November 2006 - Former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko died nearly three weeks after drinking tea laced with polonium in London hotel

March 2013 - Boris Berezovsky, former Kremlin power broker turned Putin critic, found dead in his UK home

Sergei Magnitsky, Andrey Kozlov, Boris Berezovsky and German Gorbuntsov could get honorable mentions?

Demon · 28 Feb 2015 at 12:56

do_ron_ron said:
I have watched a few RT progs. It is not at all the black and white scenario you portray. They have had Tory MP's, retired UK service personnel, lawyers etc and even Boris's father on some shows I have watched. Are you trying to say the above are all pro-Russian apologists?

They operate under the guise of a normal media outlet, however, you don't have to look far to see what they are doing.

RT said:
Now, with a dedicated UK channel, we can serve the needs and interests of the British public by promoting debate and new ways of thinking about specifically British issues.

Those new ways of thinking seem to be more often than not, giving an outlet to those with quite extreme views where they love to dissect things and show how 'broken' things are in the UK.. Some very obvious subversive method to undermine the government of another country..

Not to mention the Kremlin interference with any news story that is about Russia..

It's pretty poor to be honest, and amazing they are actually allowed on the air in this country, but we do have freedom of speech, something that isn't reciprocated in Russia sadly..

RoboCod · 28 Feb 2015 at 13:29

Demon said:
It's pretty poor to be honest, and amazing they are actually allowed on the air in this country, but we do have freedom of speech, something that isn't reciprocated in Russia sadly..

Exactly, do you think a similar news channel could exist in Russia, one that promotes the UK and scrutinises everything the government does there? Nope. This is why we are lucky to live in a civilised democratic country. We can't help the self deprecators though. Self haters gonna self hate.

ThestigGT999 · 28 Feb 2015 at 14:07

like when we banned iran's press TV?

RoboCod · 28 Feb 2015 at 14:14

ThestigGT999 said:
like when we banned iran's press TV?

Ofcom found that editorial decisions governing the channel were taken in Tehran. It wanted Press TV to be under the editorial control of the same company in London that held the broadcasting licence. Alternatively, the licence could have been transferred to Tehran.

An Ofcom spokesman said that Press TV failed to agree to these proposals, and that consequently its licence had been revoked

Nice try, but not exactly the censorship conspiracy you wish it were.

Danny75 · 28 Feb 2015 at 14:19

The man who's been murdered was no threat to Putin at all. In fact, you'd reckon Putin would be glad to have him there in opposition for as long as he liked. So it's frankly silly to suggest Putin would have something to gain out of this. Rather the contrary, there is the risk of socio-political destabilization in Russia beginning. Cui bono.

Destination · 28 Feb 2015 at 14:21

SarGara said:
It would have been in everyone else's interests for him to stay alive and in opposition; the ONLY person who benefits from his death is Putin. Who as scorza pointed out:

"President Putin has assumed "personal control" of the investigation into the killing, said his spokesman Dmitry Peskov"

Great we can all rest at ease!

Indeed, he assumed it before the chap was killed, ordered the killing, the guy was killed. Successful job. His personal control is once again demonstrated well.
Now for the mopping up, where the chap will be shown to have links to the underworld and be subject to a nasty drugs and sex ring.

Nutella33 · 28 Feb 2015 at 14:31

Danny75 said:
The man who's been murdered was no threat to Putin at all. In fact, you'd reckon Putin would be glad to have him there in opposition for as long as he liked. So it's frankly silly to suggest Putin would have something to gain out of this. Rather the contrary, there is the risk of socio-political destabilization in Russia beginning. Cui bono.

Actually you are wrong.

He was one of the main organisers of a protest march on Sunday, a prominant pro Ukrainian and had been researching a report into Russian activities in donbass.

And more importantly someone from the Yeltsin crowd, who when Putin took over received a promise that his political group would be protected from the old style eliminations of political opponents that Russia was fond of.
Its serving as a very effeciant warning to detractors.

Zethor said:
You must be trolling

He's not, he actually believes lifenews

Danny75 · 28 Feb 2015 at 15:00

Nutella33 said:
Actually you are wrong.

He was one of the main organisers of a protest march on Sunday, a prominant pro Ukrainian and had been researching a report into Russian activities in donbass.

And more importantly someone from the Yeltsin crowd, who when Putin took over received a promise that his political group would be protected from the old style eliminations of political opponents that Russia was fond of.
Its serving as a very effeciant warning to detractors.

Yes. Like I said, no threat at all. But paint your picture however you wish (I won't be buying it).

What's Putin's approval rating again?

Nutella33 · 28 Feb 2015 at 15:04

Danny75 said:
Yes. Like I said, no threat at all. But paint your picture however you wish (I won't be buying it).

What's Putin's approval rating again?

Putin's previous statement on anyone who didn't agree with him politically was that they are 5th coloumists so how do you figure that out?

Oh its high, approaching north Korean levels of high.

Actually I think it's reaching about the same level as Nicolae Ceaușescu's just before he jumped in a helicopter. What's your point?

do_ron_ron · 28 Feb 2015 at 15:34

Zethor said:
Did you ever ask yourself why Putin's opponents have the tendency to die due to "business deals" and "ordinary relationships" yet his allies seem to handle life in Russia without issues?

As I said

Not saying it was not politically motivated ..

April 2003 - Liberal politician Sergey Yushenkov assassinated near his Moscow home

July 2003 - Investigative journalist Yuri Shchekochikhin died after 16-day mysterious illness

July 2004 - Forbes magazine Russian editor Paul Klebnikov shot from moving car on Moscow street, died later in hospital

October 2006 - Investigative journalist Anna Politkovskaya shot dead outside her Moscow apartment

November 2006 - Former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko died nearly three weeks after drinking tea laced with polonium in London hotel

March 2013 - Boris Berezovsky, former Kremlin power broker turned Putin critic, found dead in his UK home

As far as Litvenko goes .... are you serious????
Russian spy defects, gives secrets and is paid by UK. Side he betrayed kills him.
Do you really think the UK or US would not/do not or try to do the same?????????
This is normal behaviour in the spy game. The UK is getting political capital by staging a loud investigation.

As I said Russia is still like the Wild West.

Another thing the reports in the UK forgot to mention when he was deputy PM. It is letting it seem recent. A little look in the Internet and it was 1997-98. Nearly twenty years ago.

do_ron_ron · 28 Feb 2015 at 15:49

Demon said:
They operate under the guise of a normal media outlet, however, you don't have to look far to see what they are doing.

Those new ways of thinking seem to be more often than not, giving an outlet to those with quite extreme views where they love to dissect things and show how 'broken' things are in the UK.. Some very obvious subversive method to undermine the government of another country..

One of the extreme views I heard was from Tory MP Goldsmith who was talking about strengthening democracy by his Recall Bill. Very extreme. One of the presenters I occasionally watch is Max Keiser who worked in the finance houses in America and talks about the scams they got up to, that screwed the ordinary punters pension etc. He also talks about the economic setup as a Ponzi scheme, a bit like Dolph. Are you saying Dolph is a Russian apologist

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I find it is more like pointing out the flaws in the UK or US system. Is that

very obvious subversive method to undermine the government of another country

Our system has MPs with an 1800's attitude to their job. Subversive to mention the things they get up to?? Well I guess you would have to include the Telegraph as being subversive.
Not to mention the Kremlin interference with any news story that is about Russia..

It's pretty poor to be honest, and amazing they are actually allowed on the air in this country, but we do have freedom of speech, something that isn't reciprocated in Russia sadly..

A lot of it is poor in my opinion but only in the sense that it is talking of things I have no interest in and turn over to another channel.

Nutella33 · 28 Feb 2015 at 15:57

do_ron_ron said:
As I said
Another thing the reports in the UK forgot to mention when he was deputy PM. It is letting it seem recent. A little look in the Internet and it was 1997-98. Nearly twenty years ago.

Putins first premiership and presidency was in 1999. he was literally a major part of the last government.

Btw its not a conspiracy to make it seem recent, its a title that is sufficiently high enough to maintain a reference after the job.
Like how jack straw is still referenced as an ex foreign minister or previous commanders of the military when used in news reports.

As far as Litvenko goes .... are you serious????
Russian spy defects, gives secrets and is paid by UK. Side he betrayed kills him.
Do you really think the UK or US would not/do not or try to do the same?????????

snowdon or manning aren't dead from radioactive poisoning. John Kiriakou is still alive, Thomas Tamm is walking around, thomas drake leaked from the NSA...1 year jail time. same with Russ Tice. Sam Provance disclosed the Abu Ghraib prison interrogations and got a letter from a previous president congratulating him. Katherine Gun leaked info from GCHQ on the run up to a war... didn't even go to jail.

In fact theres a big ass list of whistleblowers from security services and government posts and none of them end up radioactive, one is even still in his job!

~edit~

As I said Russia is still like the Wild West.

Best comparison I've heard is Nigeria with snow. They are now actually tied at 136th place out of 174 in the corruption perception index.

scorza · 28 Feb 2015 at 16:34

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ts-may-have-murdered-politician-10077276.html

Seems the Muslamabads killed Boris Nemtsov.