Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Terminal_Boy said:
The EU and NATO will continue to write strongly worded letters to Putin telling him how naughty he is despite the Ukranian mess being of their making.

Putin will continue doing whatever he wants. Because he can and because the West can't stop him apart from throwing a nuke. Which we won't do as anyone with a working brain cell knows that throwing one nuke will cause a full theatre wide nuclear exchange and we'll all be ******.
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This.

Putin will continue to push as much as he can and NATO/EU/UN will do nothing but moan and get some new sanctions against Russia. I think Putin would have to start a full scale invasion of eastern europe before there would be any major military response from anyone else.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31656455

Eight Spanish fighters were arrested after returning from Ukraine where they took part in the conflict in the Donbas region, the interior ministry said, adding that they were accused of "various crimes".
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First arrests of their kind unless im mistaken? Be interested to see if they face the same fate as Jihad fighters returning from Syria.
 
SkodaMart said:
Come on, wake up for Gods sake.

A relatively rich tiny country with nuclear strike capability vs a huge less well funded country with massive nuclear strike capability?

Please don't even go there, UK hasn't got a chance in hell against Russia.

Diplomacy is the ONLY way forward.
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Diplomacy only works when you have the muscle to back it up.
 
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europ...ng&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central

A leading Russian opposition politician, former Deputy Prime Minister Boris Nemtsov, has been shot dead in Moscow, Russian officials say.
An unidentified attacker in a car shot Mr Nemtsov four times in the back as he crossed a bridge in view of the Kremlin, police say.
He died hours after appealing for support for a march on Sunday in Moscow against the war in Ukraine.
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In a recent interview, Mr Nemtsov had said he feared Mr Putin would have him killed because of his opposition to the war in Ukraine.
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In view of the Kremlin no less.

Although lifenews.RU suspects the girl he was with of hiring a killer because she got an abortion

Or its a obvious plot by external sources to kill their own man to destabalise the current government
*sigh and shake of the head*

Ha! It gets better

Putin promptly assumed personal control of the murder investigation, said his spokesman, Dmitry Peskov. The move was a measure of the shockwaves sent out by the crime.
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LieNews, RT etc. are all Kremlin controlled propaganda media. It was Putin who had him murdered, no doubt. "Funny" but not funny really how his victims always named him before they got killed, ie. agent Litvinenko.
 
it's all propaganda, and in between you get playschool, "what colour is this dress" nonsense not news, not eduction either, cones and rods differences are taught in biology junior school, least it was in 80's.

rt are of course pro russia, like cnn/fox are pro usa and bbc is pro uk (but bbc is also playschool) rt are kinda less pro their own, while covering more stories. just how i see it, i'm prolly too old british and want us out of EU.
 
Can someone explain to me, what benefit does Putin have in murdering opposition leader who has next to none support and is considered American spy by most of population?

Especially knowing full well the west is going to pick this up and blow it up and blame him.

He jailed and then released Hodorkovsky, a man who Putin genuinely feared and yet he is alive and well, spouting anti-putin stuff while still having considerable power.

This guy is literally a no one.

This Nemtsov is as much as of a threat to Putin as BNP leader Griffin or whats his name to Cameron.

P.S

I guess things have gone bad for KGB (FSB) since they used to be pretty good at making people "suicide" or have an "accident"... All is left is to do an open drive by shooting on one of busiest streets in Moscow.

Sanctions must`ve really hit Russia hard, cant even use plutonium in assassinations anymore...
 
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SarGara said:
Yes lets....

Yanukovich using riot police on the protestors triggered them to call for his resignation. "Mr. Yanukovych called for calm after the clashes and declared he would never use force to disperse a peaceful protest." Yeah right. Any source on this West signed pact?

Yanukovich fled his post in Ukraine by helicopter to Russia before any storming occured when he realised the game was up after shooting dead protesters?

The country was left leader-less and so the MPs in parliament were left to pickup the peices: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-begins-building-new-government-9147465.html#

Nope. Yanukovich introduced a law in 2012 allowing the Russian language to be officially used in Ukraine, this simply reverted it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_Ukraine

Have a read of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine–European_Union_relations "In May 2010, President Viktor Yanukovych promised to adopt in June 2010" so they wanted to do what was promised? Right.

LOL which one of your pro-Putin blogs/sites did you copy/paste all that propaganda from? I cant even be bothered to go through the rest of it. Whats all this "West Supports" stuff? As opposed to what exactly?
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Err what? After the deal was signed, euromaidan was supposed to "disperse" Protesters were violent and armed and most of things they did were lawless.

Country was left leader-less because Euromaidan refused to follow the deal signed :rolleyes:

I know, so much Russian propaganda... I am sure especially the Iraq/Libya is all pile of nonsense, just Russian propaganda.

I suggest you watch BBC`s take on the "Shooting of Protestors" things are really not as clear cut as you make it seem.

Oh sorry, I guess if laws are reverted its fine? I guess if Germans reverted some laws from 1940`s it would be absolutely fine.

Same goes for America, with its racial laws... Bring back Segregation, after all... its just reverting of laws.

We can revert laws all the way back to slavery :rolleyes::rolleyes:

simply reverting laws, what your problem?
 
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scorza said:
Yup, proves my point - you're behind what Russia says is right.
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In that case, you are behind what America says is right :confused::confused:

Cant wait till the day, anyone who questions US foreign policy is going to be labelled pro-putin.

Are you questioning existence of Chemical Weapons in Iraq? -- PRO PUTIN!!!

Then we`ll throw some internal stuff as well...

You believe in NSA? -- PRO PUTIN!!!

Thats why I am Pro-EU as superpower, because apart from UK (which is a dog to USA) mainland EU seems to have more or less balanced view on foreign issues.

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Scorza, I think you are Pro-Russia... Because you share same opinion on Iraq.

scorza said:
I'll admit that I was a moron and believed Blair when he said that Saddam was developing WMD, I naively thought that there was no way they'd lie about this because if it turned out that there were no WMD in Iraq then Blair would have to had resigned immediately! T
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You cheeky little minx, making us believe you are anti-Russia:mad: I bet Russian Propaganda brain-washed you into believing that there are no WMDS in Iraq...

Because if you dont believe in West Actions, then you simply must be Pro-Russian. There is NO 3rd option and those who are Pro-Russia are always 100% wrong.
 
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SarGara said:
Massive difference between going to a country and being accepted to fight on its behalf (Foreign Legion) and going to visit a country and fighting against it (Syria)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31669061

Yet another Russian murder of someone with a different view.
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I dont think we had any issues with "illegal volunteers" when they fought against Geddaffi and Assad....

Strange hmm....

You do realise that shooting of that guy, in Russia, where Putin has approval rating of around 90%... Is comparable to sudden murder of Nick Griffin tomorrow...

Today we laugh at him, tomorrow we would make him a martyr... Its just against any common sense ordering a murder of an individual which possesses no threat when alive but has a potential to be a bomb if dead.
 
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SarGara said:
Massive difference between going to a country and being accepted to fight on its behalf (Foreign Legion) and going to visit a country and fighting against it (Syria)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31669061

Yet another Russian murder of someone with a different view.
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Don't worry though because "President Putin has assumed "personal control" of the investigation into the killing, said his spokesman Dmitry Peskov". So I'm sure the perpetrator will be brought to justice soon :rolleyes:
 
dunker said:
it's all propaganda, and in between you get playschool, "what colour is this dress" nonsense not news, not eduction either, cones and rods differences are taught in biology junior school, least it was in 80's.

rt are of course pro russia, like cnn/fox are pro usa and bbc is pro uk (but bbc is also playschool) rt are kinda less pro their own, while covering more stories. just how i see it, i'm prolly too old british and want us out of EU.
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It is highly disingenuous to portray BBC/CNN/FOX's 'propaganda' as equivalent in anyway to RT's.

RT's main job is to undermine the west by showing anything and everything that portrays the west in a bad light, and of course they use major force/co-ersion to ensure all broadcasters toe the government sanctioned pro-russian line..

You just have to look at Liz Wahl walking out on air on RT over the Ukraine Crisis (and what she said), then look at all the crazies they give an outlet to (George Galloway et al) to see exactly what their M.O. is..
 
dunker said:
it's all propaganda, and in between you get playschool, "what colour is this dress" nonsense not news, not eduction either, cones and rods differences are taught in biology junior school, least it was in 80's.

rt are of course pro russia, like cnn/fox are pro usa and bbc is pro uk (but bbc is also playschool) rt are kinda less pro their own, while covering more stories. just how i see it, i'm prolly too old british
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More or less how I see it. It also explains why Govt's hate the internet. Apart from the rubbish you can get, you also find out a lot Govt would rather you did not.
 
Demon said:
It is highly disingenuous to portray BBC/CNN/FOX's 'propaganda' as equivalent in anyway to RT's.

RT's main job is to undermine the west by showing anything and everything that portrays the west in a bad light, and of course they use major force/co-ersion to ensure all broadcasters toe the government sanctioned pro-russian line..

You just have to look at Liz Wahl walking out on air on RT over the Ukraine Crisis (and what she said), then look at all the crazies they give an outlet to (George Galloway et al) to see exactly what their M.O. is..
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I have watched a few RT progs. It is not at all the black and white scenario you portray. They have had Tory MP's, retired UK service personnel, lawyers etc and even Boris's father on some shows I have watched. Are you trying to say the above are all pro-Russian apologists?

There is always a danger in trying to read a political motive into a Russian killing. What emerged from the break up of the old Soviet Union has been likened to the Wild West with people grabbing what they could by force and the ordinary citizen getting screwed. Most of the oligarchs/billionaires got their money illegally, plundering State assets. There is always going to be skeleton in the closet with that kind of scenario.
Not saying it was not politically motivated but it also could have been because of business deals or indeed it may have been just an ordinary relationship crime.
 
do_ron_ron said:
I have watched a few RT progs. It is not at all the black and white scenario you portray. They have had Tory MP's, retired UK service personnel, lawyers etc and even Boris's father on some shows I have watched. Are you trying to say the above are all pro-Russian apologists?

There is always a danger in trying to read a political motive into a Russian killing. What emerged from the break up of the old Soviet Union has been likened to the Wild West with people grabbing what they could by force and the ordinary citizen getting screwed. Most of the oligarchs/billionaires got their money illegally, plundering State assets. There is always going to be skeleton in the closet with that kind of scenario.
Not saying it was not politically motivated but it also could have been because of business deals or indeed it may have been just an ordinary relationship crime.
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Did you ever ask yourself why Putin's opponents have the tendency to die due to "business deals" and "ordinary relationships" yet his allies seem to handle life in Russia without issues?

April 2003 - Liberal politician Sergey Yushenkov assassinated near his Moscow home

July 2003 - Investigative journalist Yuri Shchekochikhin died after 16-day mysterious illness

July 2004 - Forbes magazine Russian editor Paul Klebnikov shot from moving car on Moscow street, died later in hospital

October 2006 - Investigative journalist Anna Politkovskaya shot dead outside her Moscow apartment

November 2006 - Former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko died nearly three weeks after drinking tea laced with polonium in London hotel

March 2013 - Boris Berezovsky, former Kremlin power broker turned Putin critic, found dead in his UK home
 
areksnumbr1sxylady said:
Today we laugh at him, tomorrow we would make him a martyr... Its just against any common sense ordering a murder of an individual which possesses no threat when alive but has a potential to be a bomb if dead.
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It's not against common sense because common sense does usually lead to conspiracy rants such as yours. Putin simply sent a message to those who oppose him: be silent or I silence you.
 
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