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** TITANX **
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Highlighted two words that will have a baring on why people are going with the TX, it's here now, its specifications and performance are real and people have to realize that while the value of the £ does not change from person to person, the perceived value of it does.
If you can and want to have the best now why wait for something (the 390x) that is nothing more then a group of people on a forum getting excited about absolutely nothing.
E-peen. It matters a lot around these parts.
TBH, the 4k figures on more stressful games have left me pretty underwhelmed with Titan X (and I'm saying that as a huge Nvidia fan.)
All this year's cards (AMD included) are parts-bin hacks, IMHO. Real next gen. starts mid/late 2016, with a process-shrink, full stacked ram implementations, and mature, full DX12 drivers. ..Oh, and some software that can actually take advantage of all that (so think 2017/18, then.
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That's another thing. Titan X was announced a few weeks back and is now out. Fiji XT or 390X has been known about for a long time yet ATI aren't releasing. Why?
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E-peen. It matters a lot around these parts.
TBH, the 4k figures on more stressful games have left me pretty underwhelmed with Titan X (and I'm saying that as a huge Nvidia fan.)
All this year's cards (AMD included) are parts-bin hacks, IMHO. Real next gen. starts mid/late 2016, with a process-shrink, full stacked ram implementations, and mature, full DX12 drivers. ..Oh, and some software that can actually take advantage of all that (so think 2017/18, then.
I agree. I thought the exact same thing! The reviews are saying 4K is finally here now, but 4k will not be finally here on PC until we can get a consistent 60fps at high settings... As for E-peen I think it would be more like E-flaccid if people go for the Titan X.
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It's the best single GPU for 4K that rivals top end SLI/CFX setups when overclocked. If you think you are going to by a GPU and it's going to be 60 FPS + @ 4K with all eye candy for 2-3 years to come you are crazy.
You are looking to grab 2 of these to have a great time with 4K for a year or two, I would say it's a good buy due to having less trouble than tri-sli or tri-crossfire.
About AMD's R9-390X we know nothing other than speculation.
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Because they are giving retailers time to run down the stocks of 290X's that no one wants
I agree with this,, If atm your wanting a high end card Titan X is a known quantity 390x could be great or way worse we just dont know. You could wait for two or 3 months and be still buy a titan X because the 390X isnt upto par.
I hope 390X beats titanx by a reasonable amount but AMD have been pretty tight lipped so its all rumours
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To be honest I think that's a bad move. Throwing out a GPU (if they have one ready hopefully the R9-390X) would be a better option as they would be maximizing profit at higher prices now that people are GPU hungry for 1440p - 4K and if it rivals the Titan X.
We are looking at people picking up 2-3 cards (probably 10%-15% of the crowd) and a lot of budget gamers making the move to grab one for future-proofing and new builds. It's new tech afterall.
Waiting only costs them, as Nvidia are going to counter with something worthwhile but on a budget and they are going to have to change pricing (maybe) to be a better option.
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AMD trying to shift the 290/290x stock still
Disagree. If NV or AMD can pull off a 600mm die at 14-20nm in tnat time period (which is likely), then with full bandwidth stacked-ram, I think 4k at 60fps+ is more achievable. Tittan X isn't that far away from that kind of performance now, so bump it up by 50% or so and you are there.
Yep, all the headaches of SLI... And that's two Titan X's, so an even more insane spend!
True, but then what's also true is that they can't pull a 14-20nm true next-gen chip out of the hat this year any more than Nvidia can. So I'm not expecting 390x to be a 4k killer card either. Would love to be proved wrong by AMD, but can't see it, unfortunately.
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One thing I am kind of sure of , other than a few PC specific games (Witcher 3 etc) or some obviously ***** ports is that if we get a single GPU to run 4K now (60 FPS maxed) on the most demanding titles we are probably going to have a standstill in terms of GPU killing games.
The standstill is basically the life cycle of current gen consoles and as we are following their lead in terms of gaming (publishers making more money there) we are looking at roughly 7-8 years from release 2013-2019/2020 of the current gens.
It happened before with the Xbox 360 - PS3 when gaming started to shift more to peasantry.
SLI is fine , so is Crossfire ( up to 2 cards ) AMD needs to step up their game a little but I have been a multi-gpu for probably 6 years now from both camps with a few setups and I haven't had that many issues (mainly due to slow drivers from the red camp).
The standstill is basically the life cycle of current gen consoles and as we are following their lead in terms of gaming (publishers making more money there) we are looking at roughly 7-8 years from release 2013-2019/2020 of the current gens.
It happened before with the Xbox 360 - PS3 when gaming started to shift more to peasantry.
SLI is fine , so is Crossfire ( up to 2 cards ) AMD needs to step up their game a little but I have been a multi-gpu for probably 6 years now from both camps with a few setups and I haven't had that many issues (mainly due to slow drivers from the red camp).
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Looking at the price levels:
290X 8GB - £330inc
980SC - £530inc
Titan X SC - £949inc.
I think there is still a lot of value in the 290X 8GB, even now. I would imagine that remaining 290X stock levels are not the driving factor, its probably supply and cost around HBM - if thats what the 390X is going to run.
290X 8GB - £330inc
980SC - £530inc
Titan X SC - £949inc.
I think there is still a lot of value in the 290X 8GB, even now. I would imagine that remaining 290X stock levels are not the driving factor, its probably supply and cost around HBM - if thats what the 390X is going to run.
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Well a 980Ti (if ever see’s the light of day) won’t come with 12Gb of vram due to the bus it uses and probably won’t come with 8 either as both options would make getting a Titan X pointless (much like why there never was a 6Gb 780Ti).
In your situation you’ve bought into a closed ecosystem, unless your monitor got an unlikely firmware update to support freesync I wouldn’t bother looking at AMD cards (the ATI mockier hasn’t been used for years now btw) until you were ready to replace your monitor.
A 390x is likely to be as fast or faster than a Titan X and better value but that’s been the case for AMD fever since the 3870 days. If you’re so invested in the Nvidia ecosystem I don’t why a 390x would interest you now it’s doesn’t bring anything more to the table then past cards from previous generations. A Titan is going to offer you the fastest performance from a video card without going SLI and it’s going to work well with your monitor and tablet, it’s terrible value for money and 12Gb is a costly gimmick IMO but bigger numbers sound impressive when marketing a product to less informed.
If I were you I would wait until the 390x comes out and see if it forces Nvidia to lower the price of the 980 and get that, if you monitor is 1440p a TitanX is probably overkill for your needs anyway
it's interesting to see that TX with an OC is the same as 970 SLI on 1080p.
it's roughly 4 fps slower.
so it's a deffo straight swap performance to performance, so the 390X on Water will be somewhere close to this, but only 1/2 the price.
it's a great shame that the Dollar is so strong, because TX is very tempting
it's roughly 4 fps slower.
so it's a deffo straight swap performance to performance, so the 390X on Water will be somewhere close to this, but only 1/2 the price.
it's a great shame that the Dollar is so strong, because TX is very tempting
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Wrong...
The 980Ti (1080Ti) will come with a 384bit wide bus, the same as the Titan X.
Just like the 780Ti came with a 384bit wide bus, the same as the Titan.
That ratio will mean it will come with 6GB ram vs 12GB on the Titan X.
Just like the 780Ti came with 3GB ram, vs 6GB on the Titan.
The ratios are based on the bus-width.
The 980 could easily support 8GB ram if they felt like it, the only reason they don't is to push people towards Titan X and 980Ti/1080Ti.
The same 980ti/1080ti could support 12GB of ram, only it won't be available due to licensing limitation from nvidia... nothing to do with the technical side of it.
The 780ti could have 6GB on it without any issue. The only reason it doesn't is because nvidia told the AiB manufacturers not to do it.
The RAM amount is directly related to the bus-width, which can then be multiplied as far as makes any difference / ram module density/viability/etc
The 980Ti (1080Ti) will come with a 384bit wide bus, the same as the Titan X.
Just like the 780Ti came with a 384bit wide bus, the same as the Titan.
That ratio will mean it will come with 6GB ram vs 12GB on the Titan X.
Just like the 780Ti came with 3GB ram, vs 6GB on the Titan.
The ratios are based on the bus-width.
The 980 could easily support 8GB ram if they felt like it, the only reason they don't is to push people towards Titan X and 980Ti/1080Ti.
The same 980ti/1080ti could support 12GB of ram, only it won't be available due to licensing limitation from nvidia... nothing to do with the technical side of it.
The 780ti could have 6GB on it without any issue. The only reason it doesn't is because nvidia told the AiB manufacturers not to do it.
The RAM amount is directly related to the bus-width, which can then be multiplied as far as makes any difference / ram module density/viability/etc
The titan isn't for everyone, never has been - if you want the best available or play at 4k or have to use a single card rather than sli then it's worth a shout - always something around the corner that will be better value for money/better performance but that can be said for nearly every product in existence.
Also value for money is a personal thing and no one has the right to tell others what is/isn't - do you go up to anyone in the street and tell them that audi or a porsche are rubbish and they overpaid because an indigo is one tenth of the price? It does the same thing.... let me know how that goes.
Am I going to buy this myself? Probably not because sli 780 are doing everything just fine for me at 1440p, i'm not in a massive rush and will see what the possible ti brings to the table. As for banking on a product that only exists in rumor, seriously drop it until some facts are available - you can't really compare something that's available to something that may be out in a month or may be out in 6, we just don't know.
The lack of common sense and pathetic jabs on this forum is truly shocking
Also value for money is a personal thing and no one has the right to tell others what is/isn't - do you go up to anyone in the street and tell them that audi or a porsche are rubbish and they overpaid because an indigo is one tenth of the price? It does the same thing.... let me know how that goes.
Am I going to buy this myself? Probably not because sli 780 are doing everything just fine for me at 1440p, i'm not in a massive rush and will see what the possible ti brings to the table. As for banking on a product that only exists in rumor, seriously drop it until some facts are available - you can't really compare something that's available to something that may be out in a month or may be out in 6, we just don't know.
The lack of common sense and pathetic jabs on this forum is truly shocking
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Someone always has to compare GPU's to cars....
If the rumours so far have been correct, the 3 series cards were originally going to be released with only 4 GB VRAM. And they would have been released about now. No matter how, AMD have come to their senses and realised that 4 GB isn't sufficient, so they're retooling for 8 GB. Hence the delay.