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Quite funny since he commented the game doesn't reward exploration
Diabolical article
For things like blood vials and bullets they are yeah, not sure about the rest
It's sad to see this gaming 'caste system' that is appearing, similar to PC v Console one. There seem to be a group of people who think this series is only for the most hardcore of gamers and are so quick to dismiss any negativity as simply the ravings of those who find it too hard.
There are different levels of hard, some of the PC strategy games I've tried to play are way beyond any "simple" hack and slash mechanics of an action RPG. So to brand everyone who doesn't like it as defeatist etc is silly.
The comments in that article speak volumes, the writer wrote concise and perfectly valid reasons why he didn't like it and then the frothing at the mouth gamers started with the kind of trash that most associate with this hobby. It's easy to cherry pick the points you don't agree with and dismiss it all as rubbish, personally I found the exploration bit he wrote to be so but there are some worthy points in there too.
I've still not killed the cleric beast but I did find the shortcut so I can simply run round for a quick go which is helping. I do seem to be favouring the 2h axe as my weapon of choice except for some enemies where I feel I can't take them on with it like the brick wielding things.
There are different levels of hard, some of the PC strategy games I've tried to play are way beyond any "simple" hack and slash mechanics of an action RPG. So to brand everyone who doesn't like it as defeatist etc is silly.
The comments in that article speak volumes, the writer wrote concise and perfectly valid reasons why he didn't like it and then the frothing at the mouth gamers started with the kind of trash that most associate with this hobby. It's easy to cherry pick the points you don't agree with and dismiss it all as rubbish, personally I found the exploration bit he wrote to be so but there are some worthy points in there too.
I've still not killed the cleric beast but I did find the shortcut so I can simply run round for a quick go which is helping. I do seem to be favouring the 2h axe as my weapon of choice except for some enemies where I feel I can't take them on with it like the brick wielding things.
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And some people just suck, sad but true. I was watching a stream yesterday and the player was unbelievably bad against father G. Not locking on and firing blunderbuss wildly off target, not locking on and swinging wildly missing target, not using the parry system or even attempting to use it especially after being told over and over again. if your not willing to learn the mechanics and a crucial one at that what's the point. Practice on regular foes for a start, then at least you have a chance of using it against boss. not using any items like Molotov's, using the music box or even preparing for boss with taking enough blood vials with you. Game was being played like DMC or any other regular hack n slash, which clearly it isn't.
After about 10 deaths went into a fit of rage and gave up.
Ive had difficulty with 3 bosses so far where I died loads of times, Rom, Amelia and another secret one I wont mention but ultimately I learnt their move set and defeated them or summoned help, that's what its there for. Amelia I found too hard, it should be done 4th and BSB before her, so I probably wasn't ready but simply summoned and beat her.
After about 10 deaths went into a fit of rage and gave up.
Ive had difficulty with 3 bosses so far where I died loads of times, Rom, Amelia and another secret one I wont mention but ultimately I learnt their move set and defeated them or summoned help, that's what its there for. Amelia I found too hard, it should be done 4th and BSB before her, so I probably wasn't ready but simply summoned and beat her.
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Indeed, in fact there is a shortcut right before every single boss I've encountered so far. in fact if I get a feeling the next room is a boss room / area I don't enter until ive found and unlocked the shortcut. hasn't been a single exception to this rule so far.
A lot of his 'perfectly valid reasons' are simply false and he hasn't actually spent the time with the game or engaged his brain whilst playing it to figure out why. If he spent 12 hours trying to get the first boss down and didn't unlock the shortcut, which is essentially the 'check-point' he is gagging for right before the boss he is either lying about his time invested, incredibly bad or simply lazy and actually doesn't like exploring or doing anything but following a linear path. That's not labelling someone a defeatist or whatever, he's simply doing his job poorly and misinforming. For what its worth though I think Cleric Beast is an incredibly bad design wise, especially as a first fight, Gascoigne would've been better.
Also the series isn't remotely for the most hardcore, in fact the games are relatively simple once you get the mechanics down, much easier than the old NES/SNES era games where you basically learn from repetition and timing.
I admit I suck but then I'm still enjoying it despite this, I don't find the boss fight I'm on to be predictable enough to have consistent improvement on each try and I'm struggling massively with the camera.
I tried without the lock on but then I was missing like a complete tool so had to flick between modes. I probably could buy a few molotovs to make it easier but I don't feel that's the way I want to play.
And a lot of them aren't so what, especially when he says about the rewards from harder games. That said, the whole article does reek of frustration. Not sure if you played it but when I was about 8 I had a game on the NES called Bayou Billy, I made it out the first level once, got to the second and you needed the Zapper gun which I didn't have
I tried without the lock on but then I was missing like a complete tool so had to flick between modes. I probably could buy a few molotovs to make it easier but I don't feel that's the way I want to play.
And a lot of them aren't so what, especially when he says about the rewards from harder games. That said, the whole article does reek of frustration. Not sure if you played it but when I was about 8 I had a game on the NES called Bayou Billy, I made it out the first level once, got to the second and you needed the Zapper gun which I didn't have
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That fight is horrible, I died more on that boss + the third one than the entire rest of the game combined, although the third one is more fair, that fight is absolutely garbage.
I still think you'd be best without lock on, never engage it when its near a wall, you want to be able to go around either side of it without issue.
Everyone sucks generally when they start Souls games, but this is definitely the hardest start of the four.
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I beat it on 3rd attempt, have you tried levelling up a couple of levels and upgrading your weapon slightly? makes it a lot easier.
With the cleric beast, you cant get greedy. 1 or 2 hits at most from behind before retreating and start again. make sure to use the 1st initial easy parry and riposte which takes a quarter health down, and use a good few oil urns and molatovs which does significant damage.
Can you summon for the first boss? Should try that if you can Noxia just to get past it, no shame in summoning, my friend only played the game finally when we did it all coop for DaS1 as he really struggled, he then completed it about another 7 times 
Some of them aren't, but he is implying there are a lot of really dumb mechanics, I mean if I hadn't played BB myself and only read this review I'd be thinking, god that game sounds terrible. I love to explore but it just punishes it. You have to farm for your regen which is absolutely compulsory and you have no means of getting back to a boss faster but have to do the entire 'level' again through. Its just misinformed and a very poor article.
Never played many games from that era other than the most well known ones, a bit too young.
Seriously though, this game isn't for the hardcore, yes its challenging, yes it takes a little bit of effort at the start to get to grips with but the game at its core is pretty simple. Although this game is a bit less reactive than the other three as it promotes aggression due to the rally system. Again though, first boss fight does not do the game much good.
And a lot of them aren't so what, especially when he says about the rewards from harder games. That said, the whole article does reek of frustration. Not sure if you played it but when I was about 8 I had a game on the NES called Bayou Billy, I made it out the first level once, got to the second and you needed the Zapper gun which I didn't have
Some of them aren't, but he is implying there are a lot of really dumb mechanics, I mean if I hadn't played BB myself and only read this review I'd be thinking, god that game sounds terrible. I love to explore but it just punishes it. You have to farm for your regen which is absolutely compulsory and you have no means of getting back to a boss faster but have to do the entire 'level' again through. Its just misinformed and a very poor article.
Never played many games from that era other than the most well known ones, a bit too young.
Seriously though, this game isn't for the hardcore, yes its challenging, yes it takes a little bit of effort at the start to get to grips with but the game at its core is pretty simple. Although this game is a bit less reactive than the other three as it promotes aggression due to the rally system. Again though, first boss fight does not do the game much good.
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I recall the first boss of Demon's Souls actually being a breeze but I only got that one and the second Tower Knight or something before I admitted defeat, the difference being that I was flitting in and out of games so if I persevered I do wonder what I'd have achieved. Also I did try a summon and it said something about a bell echoing but I never saw anyone come to help, I hung around about 15m.
Actually no I haven't because I read conflicting info about any difference it makes, some say any slight upgrade will prove advantageous and others say they're so minor it doesn't matter. Won't harm to try though, I got the upgraded armour at least and my axe currently has a +1.
Not sure what the oil urns do, I have a couple but not used them, do they make the Molotov do more damage?
My tactic is similar to what you said, I use the two shots to the face thing and then switch to two handed. I genuinely feel when I kill the thing it will be down to luck of how it decides to position itself.
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Oh definitely luck is a major part.
Any advantage slight or great will be useful especially if you are struggling. With Amelia I was getting wrecked, knew right then I wasn't good enough or levelled enough so just went back, collected my souls and used the warping item to go back to the lamp. levelled up for about an hour, went back and got wrecked again lol, then just summoned.
Yea oil urns boost Molotov damage, coat in oil then set on fire.
Why don't you record some footage and upload to youtube?
Any advantage slight or great will be useful especially if you are struggling. With Amelia I was getting wrecked, knew right then I wasn't good enough or levelled enough so just went back, collected my souls and used the warping item to go back to the lamp. levelled up for about an hour, went back and got wrecked again lol, then just summoned.
Yea oil urns boost Molotov damage, coat in oil then set on fire.
Why don't you record some footage and upload to youtube?
Tower Knight was quite tricky, quite overwhelming with everything that was going on, I think I found Demon's the hardest of the lot, it wasn't designed around the rally system they have in BB and it only had farmable regen, although I seemed to have much more of it in DeS.
Thats strange, should only take 1-2mins max.
Levelling up is definitely worth it if you're struggling, it gives you more time in the fight to learn and make mistakes, the game can be pretty punishing if its killing you in two hits. Its not going to make a huge difference once you ge to grips with it, but to start its handy, I'd definitely farm a bit. (Those two guys to the left of the lamp are good, easy to get behind them and charge an R2 and they always drop blood vials)
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later on in the game coming back to yharnam to farm blood vials is awesome. literally tear through everything. I remember when you first start throwing pebbles to lure out folk near the fire one at a time, now just run in and wreck everything without getting hit a single time.
When you get hit by the guys with the big sacks, the place they bring you is good for echoes+vial farming, the visceral attacks on the pigs is pretty disgusting
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When you get hit by the guys with the big sacks, the place they bring you is good for echoes+vial farming, the visceral attacks on the pigs is pretty disgusting
I used that place to farm twin blood shard things, ive got a routine run from the great bridge lantern which takes around 6 minutes and nets you around 20 blood vials and 20 quick silver bullets each time. made a quick video and uploading now. No risk of dying and it fast, them sack dudes don't mess around, tough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIJ32L__02I
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Insight is really doing my nut in tbh!
I thought i read somewhere you can buy madmans knowledge but can't seem to be able to? I also for some reason didn't pick up the small resonating bell so can't join anyone in co-op, which does my nut in!
I thought i read somewhere you can buy madmans knowledge but can't seem to be able to? I also for some reason didn't pick up the small resonating bell so can't join anyone in co-op, which does my nut in!
I do wonder if summoning was broken at the time as spectres didn't seem to work either.
Also I'm an idiot because I lost my 1 insight that I got from seemingly nowhere, I presumed I couldn't level up but I just saw I can still do that even though the doll isn't alive atm.
Also I'm an idiot because I lost my 1 insight that I got from seemingly nowhere, I presumed I couldn't level up but I just saw I can still do that even though the doll isn't alive atm.
Phalanx wasn't it?
For those struggling with Gasgoigne, there is a really obscurely attained item you can get which essentially stuns him for a good 3 or 4 seconds...won't go into it as it's largely lore related