Poll: General election voting round 4

[scorza]

I think I posted the same thing with 100 days to go, glad its just a week away now

What are you talking about? General elections are great, they're the only time we can cut the deficit, cut taxes, grow the economy and have shiny new public services

 

[spudbynight]

"UKIP are racist."

"Yeah, but other parties also have racist people."

Great defence.

No the defence is all the parties have racists. None of them have racist policies. (Apart from the BNP)

Which is the only party in the UK with former elected BNP politicians, currently in elected positions within it? (Clue, it begins with L and ends in 'abour')

 

[D.P.]

They don't have to be. Have primaries/open primaries, for example. It's no less democratic than the party HQ parachuting in the candidate they want, as we have now under FPTP! Saying PR would be worse because of a democratic deficit in candidate selection, when compared with our current system is laughable/displays a fundamental lack of understanding...

I didn't say PR is worse, I said PR has its own set of problems which is why it is not universally used. Things like seat assignment is just one of the more complex issues and is one that removes control from the voting public, unless you add even more complexity.

 

[D.P.]

Then there is the coalition to debate and watch over, and another election isn't that unlikely either, in fact its practically guaranteed if the leaders stick to their pre-election packs, as no two parties will be enough for a majority....

You don't need a majority, all that has to happen in the SNP give a vote of no confidence for Tories and conference for Labour and Milliband is the prime minister. A majority coalition is only desirable to guarantee the confidence vote, labour may be able to do that with only 270 seats.



I would agree that a reelection is likely, except for the fact that the last Government enacted the fixed 5 year term act.

 

[ElliorR]

LOL.. Wait until the Friday following Polling day, that's when it will really kick off. And it's Coalition Armageddon...

At least that might be a bit more interesting. All they're going to do now is make even more promises they cannot/will not keep in the slim hope they get another seat or 2.

 

[Kronos]

I have yet to receive a leaflet or be canvassed, it has been a great election run up for me.

 

[robgmun]

Why do I think that this common asylum policy will be implemented and Mr Farage will be proved right. It makes me sick at how impotent our country has become.

Because while we are in the EU, we have to do what our masters tell us

 

[DampDog]

At least that might be a bit more interesting. All they're going to do now is make even more promises they cannot/will not keep in the slim hope they get another seat or 2.

Absolutely, sweeteners are coming thick and fast now. Locally having had a reduced A&E service in Stafford for months; miraculously Jeremy Hunt, has now promised to restore the service. Months back the locals were kicking and screaming for the service and they didn't want to know. Hey-ho, that's politics. And were we not promised that VAT would not rise in the 2010 run up, and they've just made the same promise they didn't keep the last time. You couldn't make it up.

 

[Freakbro]

Then there is the coalition to debate and watch over, and another election isn't that unlikely either, in fact its practically guaranteed if the leaders stick to their pre-election packs, as no two parties will be enough for a majority....

Oh joy

What are you talking about? General elections are great, they're the only time we can cut the deficit, cut taxes, grow the economy and have shiny new public services

Heh, I just think it's been such negative campaigning it's turned me off. I've decided who I'm voting for (Lib Dems again) so no need to listen to their BS anymore

 

[Freakbro]

And were we not promised that VAT would not rise in the 2010 run up, and they've just made the same promise they didn't keep the last time. You couldn't make it up.

Maybe that's why he promised to pass a law not to...so they couldn't go back on what they promised!

Unless of course they break their promise and go back on passing the law to stop them breaking their promises....hmmm

 

[scorza]

Maybe that's why he promised to pass a law not to...so they couldn't go back on what they promised!

Unless of course they break their promise and go back on passing the law to stop them breaking their promises....hmmm

Or they could repeal the law that says they can't raise taxes.

 

[D.P.]

Worse with regards to that particular issue. You said how the candidate selection would be undemocratic, when the current system is no better or worse. So that critique from you was retarded. That's what I was highlighting.

The candidate selection now is perfectly, fine who ever gets the most votes in the constituency gets the seat, can't get more democratic than that.

 

[joeyjojo]

The problem is FPTP is not meant to be proportional, if that was the goal we would just use PR. FPTP is meant to elect the local candidate that people in that constituency think is best to represent their local views.
The difficulty is we then expect the national government to be formed with a majority from this set up. The 2 are seperate thigns really.

You and Moses have made lots of good points so I'll only respond to this one. I'm well aware FPTP on a constituency level gives everyone a directly accountable representative in the Commons. This might have been sensible at other times in the last 500 years but most decisions are made nationally now, with local issues predominantly dealt with by local councils. Also, most people vote for a party before an individual (obviously Independents not included). So for both of these reasons I think people would be much happier if the Commons contained a mix of MPs that reflected the mix of views more closely.

There would be challenges, but many benefits, not least more engagement with politics and an end to safe seats.

 

[Mr Jack]

Labour has an open racist on their front bench.

UKIP's leader is openly racist!

 

[Terminal_Boy]

Are immigrants a race now?

 

[DampDog]

Maybe that's why he promised to pass a law not to...so they couldn't go back on what they promised!

Unless of course they break their promise and go back on passing the law to stop them breaking their promises....hmmm

LOL.. I think you have em all sussed right there...

 

[doodah]

Only just seen the Green's party political broadcast - it made me forget their bonkers manifesto for a few minutes

 

[D.P.]

UKIP's leader is openly racist!

Indeed

"I Don't Want Romanians as my Neighbours" , Nigel Farage, 2014
"We will never win the ****** vote, the nig-nogs will never vote for us", Nigel Farage, 1997

 

[sports_brah]

UKIP's leader is openly racist!

Source?

 

[doodah]

Indeed

"I Don't Want Romanians as my Neighbours" , Nigel Farage, 2014
"We will never win the ****** vote, the nig-nogs will never vote for us", Nigel Farage, 1997

But he's got a German wife and drinks Spanish beer - geez !