Poll: General election voting round 4

[The Geezer]

So if they said vote Lab or Con then that would make that party racist? Well damn I think we know how to drop support for the big two!

That's down to you of course. The point is both BNP and Britain First promote a particular brand of politics that a majority* of UK citizens abhor so ask yourself why would these two organisations back UKIP - do you honestly believe its because of UKIPs stance on the NHS ?

 

[do_ron_ron]

Problem is that the electorate see the moderation and lack of difference between "red" and "blue" as a horrible filthy lie, especially in Scotland and growing resentment in Wales/Ireland.

The electorate are sick of the two main parties as shown in the last election. They gave neither party a mandate. This election looks likely to be the same. This is one of the reasons for the rise of UKIP and the SNP. As far as the SNP goes they ran a minority Govt. first time then obviously the people thought they did a good job because they voted them back in with a clear majority. This was something the setup of Edinburgh was meant to avoid .. one party ruling.

So unless the constitutional law of this country is changed drastically, we are on a spiral of inefficient governance because the political class is too focused on lying to their public.

I think that the LibDems prevented Tory excess so I do not think it was necessarily inefficient. Ken Clarke

Talking of the Conservatives’ failure to win an election for 23 years, he said he belongs to the party of pre-1992 that usually won. Asked what that was down to, he said: “Well, it’s become much too rightwing. Which I hope David will continue to seek to redress in coming times.”

 

[D.P.]

UKIP aren't the EDL so why would you associate the two?

Half of UKIP voters are self-admitted racists and far more UKIP candidates are racist, xenophobic or homophobic than in the other main parties.

that is what makes UKIP racists.

 

[John40]

Half of UKIP voters are self-admitted racists and far more UKIP candidates are racist, xenophobic or homophobic than in the other main parties.

that is what makes UKIP racists.

Oh dear.

 

[Spook187]

Half of UKIP voters are self-admitted racists and far more UKIP candidates are racist, xenophobic or homophobic than in the other main parties.

that is what makes UKIP racists.

Do you have any proof of this comment.

 

[The Geezer]

Do you have any proof of this comment.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=27975440&postcount=893

 

[McGray]

UKIP are racist though?

That's why all the racists vote for them isn't it?

 

[D.P.]

Indeed, such a pity AV didn't win. Was very clever of the Tories to allow the referendum at the first sniff of hung parliaments being the norm, then campaign hard against it. Now they can put it off for a decade.



You mean alternative vote (AV)?

Anyway just came to post this nice illustration from the ERS of how far from proportional FPTP is:


Looks like UKIP are headed for Green levels of "inefficiency" (a million votes for a handful of seats).

The problem is FPTP is not meant to be proportional, if that was the goal we would just use PR. FPTP is meant to elect the local candidate that people in that constituency think is best to represent their local views.
The difficulty is we then expect the national government to be formed with a majority from this set up. The 2 are seperate thigns really.


PR wouldn't really resolve anything and adds a huge number of complexities to itself. E.g., if we assign seats as a straightforward PR you get a lot of difficulties with small parties, e.g. Does the Green get about 5.5% f the vote right now, is that 35 seats or 36 seats, how do you deal with these fractions?
The SNP would end up with something like 20 seats yet almost every constituency in Scotland will be voting for an SNP candidate, so why is it fair that the SNP would get 20 seats when the voted for 50+?
And where do all the extra MPs come from? , e.g. the UKIP will likely get 1-5 seats but under PR they would get 84, would UKIP just pick whoever it wants to fill in the missing 80 odd seats? How is that democratic when people no one voted for get to represent?

 

[D.P.]

Do you have any proof of this comment.

Yes, 48% of UKIP voters are racially prejudiced
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/02/23/ukip-is-officially-the-most-racist-party_n_6733996.html

Since this relies on self-reporting there will be some proportion too ashamed to admit they are racially prejudiced the true figure I would expect to be much higher.

Then there are all these endless gaffs coming their candidates:
http://leftfootforward.org/2015/02/is-ukip-a-racist-party-these-15-comments-would-suggest-so/



Then there is the fact the UKIP founder think Farage is racist and the party is now racist.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-alan-sked-party-become-frankensteins-monster


But what do you expect of a party whose' leader once said that they would never win the ****** vote.

 

[spudbynight]

I'm guessing that whilst UKIP is NOT a racist party it does get support from open racists

Labour has an open racist on their front bench.

 

[D.P.]

Try looking at how any country which uses PR does it... or how the European elections are done... etc. Eg. with who takes the slots, the way we do it already is to have party lists. Then different countries will have different quirks - eg. in Germany you have to have over 5% of the vote to get members elected through PR, so you don't have mega fragmentation, but minor parties still get seats in the Bundestag.

In fact, this is easier,

It's pretty common, so there will be all sorts of possible ways to iron out hypothetical wrinkles.

The issue is PR has has many quirks as FPTP. It is mathematically proven that there is no fair voting system. Things like tactical voting will still exist under PR.

Things like Party lists are very undemocratic so form that perspective FPTP is far more desirable.

 

[robgmun]

Labour has an open racist on their front bench.

*cough* Diane Abbott *cough*

 

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[danielanthony]

Wonder why 'anti-white' racism needs to be highlighted? Why not just Diane Abbott challenged on her racist views?

 

[ElliorR]

Has anyone else had enough of the run up to the election now? I'll just be glad when it's over and done with.

 

[DampDog]

Has anyone else had enough of the run up to the election now? I'll just be glad when it's over and done with.

LOL.. Wait until the Friday following Polling day, that's when it will really kick off. And it's Coalition Armageddon...

 

[robgmun]

"UKIP are racist."

"Yeah, but other parties also have racist people."

Great defence.

It's the hypocrisy, staying silent on other parties when there are far more people who have said and done far worse things in other parties. Last time I kept posting stories on other parties until I was suspended

 

[Freakbro]

Has anyone else had enough of the run up to the election now? I'll just be glad when it's over and done with.

I think I posted the same thing with 100 days to go, glad its just a week away now

 

[Judgeneo]

I think I posted the same thing with 100 days to go, glad its just a week away now

Then there is the coalition to debate and watch over, and another election isn't that unlikely either, in fact its practically guaranteed if the leaders stick to their pre-election packs, as no two parties will be enough for a majority....

 

[scorza]

[Farage] "Well, I did tell you so - you Schmucks"[/Farage]

Why do I think that this common asylum policy will be implemented and Mr Farage will be proved right. It makes me sick at how impotent our country has become.