Poll: General election voting round 4

[danielanthony]

Conservatives announcing today that they will not increase income tax, NI or VAT.

Will be cutting handouts (tax credits, child benefit).

Unfortunately too many people are a net-drain on the economy and so will not vote to have their handouts cut. I just wonder how long the country can go on taxing an ever smaller number of tax net contributors in order to keep the benefit addicted masses happy.

 

[Freefaller]

It's a shame you can't vote for more than 1 party... or have a preferred and then second preference.

 

[StriderX]

'STV poll: SNP on course to win EVERY Scottish seat at general election.'

Top kek.

 

[do_ron_ron]

Conservatives announcing today that they will not increase income tax, NI or VAT.

Will be cutting handouts (tax credits, child benefit).

Unfortunately too many people are a net-drain on the economy and so will not vote to have their handouts cut. I just wonder how long the country can go on taxing an ever smaller number of tax net contributors in order to keep the benefit addicted masses happy.

The problem in the UK is that we all expect Scandinavian type of Govt. services
but don't want to pay tax. It is time for politicians to start to ask the people what they really want. Low taxes - you pay for health insurance, tolls on roads etc, etc or higher taxation you get all the services.

Before somebody comes along with the usual refrain that they already pay for these, we don't, we don't pay enough.

Politicians have been too afraid to spell out this simple truth(apart from the LibDems on one occasion).

Any decision needs to be taken by looking at what society we want in the future not what is in it for me today.

 

[StriderX]

The problem in the UK is that we all expect Scandinavian type of Govt. services
but don't want to pay tax. It is time for politicians to start to ask the people what they really want. Low taxes - you pay for health insurance, tolls on roads etc, etc or higher taxation you get all the services.

Before somebody comes along with the usual refrain that they already pay for these, we don't, we don't pay enough.

Politicians have been too afraid to spell out this simple truth(apart from the LibDems on one occasion).

Any decision needs to be taken by looking at what society we want in the future not what is in it for me today.

Problem is that the electorate see the moderation and lack of difference between "red" and "blue" as a horrible filthy lie, especially in Scotland and growing resentment in Wales/Ireland.

So unless the constitutional law of this country is changed drastically, we are on a spiral of inefficient governance because the political class is too focused on lying to their public.

 

[Mr Jack]

Was going to vote Conservative but as of this morning I think I'll switch back to Lib Dem. Lost faith after all these no tax rise 'promises'.

The irony of someone going to the Lib Dems because they are worried about another party not keeping their promises is so huge that it has its own gravity well.

 

[Quartz]

It's a shame you can't vote for more than 1 party... or have a preferred and then second preference.

Yes, I'd like to see us switch to Approval Voting - vote for all the candidates you like!

 

[StriderX]

Yes, I'd like to see us switch to Approval Voting - vote for all the candidates you like!

sin(π/2) to sin(-π/2) scale for candidates you love, like, meh, dislike and hate . (people can math while they politic )

 

[Sunbed]

The irony of someone going to the Lib Dems because they are worried about another party not keeping their promises is so huge that it has its own gravity well.

My ' ' were misplaced. I wasn't trying to emphasise that they are meaningless promises (which they probably are), more that it's highlighting a different ideology to what I'm comfortable with. For the conservatives to keep that promise and still reduce the deficit in the time they have stated means a truckload of cuts that they aren't being forthcoming about. The Lib Dems on the other hand are being more open and saying they will tax the most wealthy and as a result rank lower on my BS-o-meter.

 

[Judgeneo]

All the parties are just praying for a recovery in productivity. We wouldn't have a deficit if we were as productive as 2008.

 

[McGray]

EDIT: wrong thread!

 

[joeyjojo]

It's a shame you can't vote for more than 1 party... or have a preferred and then second preference.

Indeed, such a pity AV didn't win. Was very clever of the Tories to allow the referendum at the first sniff of hung parliaments being the norm, then campaign hard against it. Now they can put it off for a decade.

Yes, I'd like to see us switch to Approval Voting - vote for all the candidates you like!

You mean alternative vote (AV)?

Anyway just came to post this nice illustration from the ERS of how far from proportional FPTP is:

How many votes does an MP need? In 2010, it took over 33,000 votes to elect a Labour MP, 35,000 for a Conservative and nearly 120,000 to elect a Lib Dem. The Greens got over a quarter of a million and just one representative, while UKIP got over 900,000 votes and no MPs at all.

Whatever party you support, that's just not fair.

Looks like UKIP are headed for Green levels of "inefficiency" (a million votes for a handful of seats).

 

[Malt_Vinegar]

I was reading the UKIP manifesto summary today, and alarmingly found myself in agreement with practically every mentioned policy?!

Some of the immigration stuff is a bit scary, but essentially, they seem to be winning me over on practical every-day policy where the Big 2 are failing to do anything sensible.

What does this make me? A Reluctant UKIP'er? Should I shave my head and fly the St George cross from my car?!

 

[StriderX]

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Looks like UKIP are headed for Green levels of "inefficiency" (a million votes for a handful of seats).[/QUOTE]

Uhh, i am relatively confused as to what this is implying?

Are they using data for one constituency, then suddenly hyperbolic for adding the entire vote for Greens/Ukip?

 

[scorza]

I was reading the UKIP manifesto summary today, and alarmingly found myself in agreement with practically every mentioned policy?!

Some of the immigration stuff is a bit scary, but essentially, they seem to be winning me over on practical every-day policy where the Big 2 are failing to do anything sensible.

What does this make me? A Reluctant UKIP'er? Should I shave my head and fly the St George cross from my car?!

UKIP aren't the EDL so why would you associate the two?

 

[The Geezer]

UKIP aren't the EDL so why would you associate the two?

I'm guessing that whilst UKIP is NOT a racist party it does get support from open racists

 

[escape sanity]

Uhh, i am relatively confused as to what this is implying?

Are they using data for one constituency, then suddenly hyperbolic for adding the entire vote for Greens/Ukip?

They are dividing the number of votes each party got by the number of seats that party won at the election.

The conclusion being that smaller parties like UKIP, Greens and, to a lesser extent, Lib Dems with consistent support across the whole country but who are not the number one most popular party in many parts of the country get screwed over.

 

[scorza]

I'm guessing that whilst UKIP is NOT a racist party it does get support from open racists

Tha vast majority of their support is not racist however, just like every other political party.

 

[The Geezer]

Tha vast majority of their support is not racist however, just like every other political party.

However organisations such as BNP and Britain First have told their followers to vote for UKIP.

 

[Neodite]

However organisations such as BNP and Britain First have told their followers to vote for UKIP.

So if they said vote Lab or Con then that would make that party racist? Well damn I think we know how to drop support for the big two!