Nvidia, stop being a **** please

[DarrenM343]

Sure but I've seen a few commentors who've tried freesynch and gysnch and pretty much confirm there's next to no difference. So you call it subjective to pay more for next to no difference as well? That sounds even more shallow as it ignores the context of the comparison we're actually making and just aims to be a blanket statement.

Depends on how you look at it? Who were the few commentators? Were they biased in anyway? I've read G-sync with Nvidia cards is simply a better soluition? But it's only what we've read. And wasn't G-sync out before Freesync? That can make a difference in both price and marketing tactics - hard to charge a premium for a technology that's already out there but can turn it to a marketing advantage by declaring it free and open to all which might not have been the case if the reverse was true?

Oh and I guess my statement was a bit of a blanket one I'm not looking closely at the argument here but it's no different than buying other products - value is subjective and simply stating I'm happy to pay more for a product under certain conditions as I deem value to be more than a simple cross comparison of performance.

I'd be happy to see an open standard on this now as it's no longer a new technoligy and agree with Troezar. PS, I was joking with the rising salaries comment

 

[Insanties_birth]

Depends on how you look at it? Who were the few commentators? Were they biased in anyway? I've read G-sync with Nvidia cards is simply a better soluition? But it's only what we've read. And wasn't G-sync out before Freesync? That can make a difference in both price and marketing tactics - hard to charge a premium for a technology that's already out there but can turn it to a marketing advantage by declaring it free and open to all which might not have been the case if the reverse was true?

Oh and I guess my statement was a bit of a blanket one I'm not looking closely at the argument here but it's no different than buying other products - value is subjective and simply stating I'm happy to pay more for a product under certain conditions as I deem value to be more than a simple cross comparison of performance.

I'd be happy to see an open standard on this now as it's no longer a new technoligy and agree with Troezar. PS, I was joking with the rising salaries comment

Well if we're taking into account they are biased then how can we ignore the fact that you're pretty much stating you'd only buy Nvidia anyway? Yes gsynch was out sooner, marketing and sales tactics are one way to look at it but not really going to change the real world end result. I simply can't buy Nvidia monitors that compare to AMD freesynch ones for a similar price so that means the argument that I presented that there is a price difference is simply factual. In the end it's just as I said, you can't really compare it to a simple quality difference because even if freesynch was not quite as good (which I am led to believe there is little difference from other users on this site) then you still end up with an overall better monitor for the same price. It's not like just paying less for lower grade beef, they're throwing in the champagne and caviar when you're getting the higher end mash and sausage. When I can get 4k for what Nvidia users would be paying for 1440p then the end experience is that I get more for less and not the other way around.

Salaries are rising though, come april the minimum wage is going up so people can get less value meals

 

[Troezar]

Maybe we'll see the Lidl and Aldi effect. I started shopping there 8yrs ago when a lot of people turned their nose up at the thought. Now everyone seems to be realising you can get the same or even better quality for less if you're not paying for fancy stores and marketing budgets/shareholders.

As for wages at least in my circles and the industries I am aware of 1% is the norm. The minimum wage is fast becoming the maximum wage

 

[DarrenM343]

Well if we're taking into account they are biased then how can we ignore the fact that you're pretty much stating you'd only buy Nvidia anyway?

But it's no delusion . And it wasn't exactly what I was saying but if buying a monitor I'd rather tie myself into Nvidia for the life of the monitor. Why? I've been around for a while and experienced products from both AMD and NVidia. Today, unless something drastic changes, I would rather buy Nvidia products, even with a premium attached. Nothing to do with brand etc, it's from past experience. Overall I have preferred my experiences with Nvidia and also Intel products than AMD.

Enough of food talk I'm getting hungry

 

[ICDP]

I've tried both G-sync and Freesync and found that the only benefits to G-sync (at the time) were a lower VRR floor. Other than this both techs gave a similar tear free and stutter free experience. No way does it warrant a 30% Nvidia tax in my opinion and at least it's an objective one having tried both techs.

Reading some people still proclaim AMD as some sort of value brand speaks volumes about their limited and narrow minded views than it does about AMD or Freesync. Having been mostly Nvidia over the past 3-4 years (680, 780, 290X, 980, 980Ti, Fury) I have zero delusions that Nvidia were in any way a more premium experience.

 

[setter]

The way I see it, it's the monitor manufacturers who are price gouging not NVIDIA. They charge each manufacturer a flat fee for the module. Yet the difference in price between monitors is fairly large.

 

[Ian Evey]

Double post.

 

[Ian Evey]

I've tried both G-sync and Freesync and found that the only benefits to G-sync (at the time) were a lower VRR floor. Other than this both techs gave a similar tear free and stutter free experience. No way does it warrant a 30% Nvidia tax in my opinion and at least it's an objective one having tried both techs.

Reading some people still proclaim AMD as some sort of value brand speaks volumes about their limited and narrow minded views than it does about AMD or Freesync. Having been mostly Nvidia over the past 3-4 years (680, 780, 290X, 980, 980Ti, Fury) I have zero delusions that Nvidia were in any way a more premium experience.

Amd ceo wanted to take the perceprion of amd being a budget brand away so either she thought amd was a budget brand or that nvidia are a premium brand.

Either way it was a smart move increasing amd prices for the new cards to give the illusion that the cards were just as good as and as valuable as the already too expensive nvidia cards.


I prefared the budget image tbh because now we have 2 overly priced gpu makers.

 

[bru]

The way I see it, it's the monitor manufacturers who are price gouging not NVIDIA. They charge each manufacturer a flat fee for the module. Yet the difference in price between monitors is fairly large.

STOP that setter, there's no place for common sense in a thread like this.

 

[hyperseven]

@ICDP, 'Nvidia tax', you a journo for the Daily Mail.

 

[humbug]

Amd ceo wanted to take the perceprion of amd being a budget brand away so either she thought amd was a budget brand or that nvidia are a premium brand.

Either way it was a smart move increasing amd prices for the new cards to give the illusion that the cards were just as good as and as valuable as the already too expensive nvidia cards.


I prefared the budget image tbh because now we have 2 overly priced gpu makers.

The Apple Syndrome, PC's stuffed with mediocre off the shelve components, but its premium because its expensive.

I know someone like that, he knows its not the hardware he's paying for because i told him what's in it and how i can build a similar machine off the shelf retail for half the cost, if i tell him the upper mid range GPU i have in my PC is 5x more powerful than the Iris-Pro 6200 he has in his MAC; he has a hissy fit.

In his mind there absolutely must be something special about it because it cost so much, even if he has no idea what that might be, with nothing to put his finger on he rants "Because they are just better"
He refuses to even look at a PC based system, scarred he might actually like it.

He's learnt not to shill Apple with me, he knows i'll take the #### if he does

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

I think with a lot of things, not just PC stuff, brand image and being first to market accounts for a lot of brand tax.

While there are people that know the difference the vast majority probably just go with the better known brands because there must be a reason they're popular?

 

[Insanties_birth]

The way I see it, it's the monitor manufacturers who are price gouging not NVIDIA. They charge each manufacturer a flat fee for the module. Yet the difference in price between monitors is fairly large.

Yes that is a good point and I'll accept it, from an end user stand point though it still does make a price difference and that's partly due to the way Nvidia chose to implement the technology so while I agree they aren't the ones gouging it they have helped with the increase in cost somewhat. It's splitting hairs as I'm not going on an anti-Nvidia tirade but I just get disappointed when people don't see that there is decent competition out there. Kind of like when Apple owns the whole mobile market despite there being better alternatives too.

Either way you make a good point.

 

[setter]

It would be interesting to know what the fee is to the monitor manufacturers for the gsync module. Take the new dell and the original swift. Same benq/au optronics panel, more connections on the dell yet even allowing for Asus Rog tax as some of us call it, its usually still more expensive.

 

[bru]

It is just like intel and their CPU's people moan that Intel are overchargeing for the latest Skylake CPU's when in reality Intel list the prices as follows.

3770k $342
4770k $350
4790k $350
6700k $350

So it isn't Intel that are charging more at all. I'm sure it will be the same with NVidia and the Gsync module, they sell it at one price to all and the monitor manufacturers price their monitors how they think they will sell.

Source for prices http://ark.intel.com/

 

[setter]

Yep, I've owned all those Intel cpu's bar the 6700k. Paid around 280 quid for each. Didn't bother with skylake as it was costing upto £380.00 not long ago. Bought an X99 bundle for £400.00 second hand instead.

 

[esoteric]

This argument honestly feels like a load of boohooing from, AMD. If they put as much effort into developing technology and software as they do sulking about, nvidia being meanies then maybe they can turn the tables.

 

[ICDP]

This argument honestly feels like a load of boohooing from, AMD. If they put as much effort into developing technology and software as they do sulking about, nvidia being meanies then maybe they can turn the tables.

What a ridiculously idiotic statement.

 

[llamadal]

Yes that is a good point and I'll accept it, from an end user stand point though it still does make a price difference and that's partly due to the way Nvidia chose to implement the technology so while I agree they aren't the ones gouging it they have helped with the increase in cost somewhat. It's splitting hairs as I'm not going on an anti-Nvidia tirade but I just get disappointed when people don't see that there is decent competition out there. Kind of like when Apple owns the whole mobile market despite there being better alternatives too.

Either way you make a good point.

You mean a good way so it works better?

 

[bru]

This argument honestly feels like a load of boohooing from, AMD. If they put as much effort into developing technology and software as they do sulking about, nvidia being meanies then maybe they can turn the tables.

What a ridiculously idiotic statement.

Not often I agree with ICDP but here I do have to, you were doing ok with the "This argument honestly feels like a load of boohooing from" but then you point the finger at AMD, if you notice there isn't anything from AMD in the opening posters video, it is all an outsiders view of how things are.

As for "If they put as much effort into developing technology and software as they do sulking about, nvidia being meanies then maybe they can turn the tables" It isn't developing the tech that AMD have a problem with, they come up with brilliant ideas, and they even put some of them into practice. In my opinion that is where they seem to go wrong, sometimes them following through with the tech isn't the best.