** NVIDIA GTX 1080 FOUNDERS EDITION: WANNA PRE-ORDER?

BluD · 21 May 2016 at 13:58

Im putting my trust in AMD, just ordered a freesync monitor lol.

@queamin is that one of the old AMD dual cores your rocking there? I remember havng a 4800+ as my last AMD cpu right before switching to Core2, that thing still running ok?

Leon Axel · 21 May 2016 at 13:59

melmac said:
It's a mid range chip(GP104) replacing a mid range card (GTX 980)

Why is it suddenly high end? Because it's faster than the previous gens high end? After a die shrink the mid range has nearly always been faster than previous generations high end card, but we never called them high end cards before. So why now?

Since when has the 980 been mid range?

The x70 and x80 have always been high end; with the x80 ti and Titan cards been the ultra high end.

queamin · 21 May 2016 at 14:01

BluD said:
Im putting my trust in AMD, just ordered a freesync monitor lol.

@queamin is that one of the old AMD dual cores your rocking there? I remember havng a 4800+ as my last AMD cpu right before switching to Core2, that thing still running ok?

Yes, not updated my spec's will do it with Zen

solidair · 21 May 2016 at 14:03

solidair said:
I did and they deleted it anyway lol

Sorry my bad wasn't thinking

Kaapstad · 21 May 2016 at 14:05

Gregster said:
Yer, I can do that and I am on nights next week (22:00 - 06:00), followed by 14:00 to 22:00 and the 06:00 to 14:00 and the last week would be the better time for testing and we should have the AIB cards out by then.

Thanks for the reasoning guys and you all talk sense

Wait for the non reference 1080s.

There is absolutely no point in a TX owner getting a FE 1080.

Overclock both to max and you get exactly the same performance.

Worse still the TX has 12gb v 8gb memory of the FE.

The non reference 1080s will be an upgrade from the TX for less money than the FE.

Rasphelt · 21 May 2016 at 14:08

SiDeards73 said:
My main issue with your posts is "im buying 3 regardless" which basically translates as i have more money than sense and cba to bother looking into why everyone including Nvidia says dont buy more than 2.....

If you had taken time to read through the posts, you would have seen that AIB boards with extra power would become available, the FE is a blatant rip off and not even a good one at that and lastly Nvidia has even stated dont go for Tri-SLI.

Give the current state of SLI i definitely would not be buying 2 cards expecting massive leaps in performance over 1 card either.

But hey, its your money dude, you buy what you like, but if you come and ask advice, dont get whiney when people give you advice that is the opposite from what your hoping to hear.

If you want everyone to say "yeah man do it, buy 3 cards! Live the dream" then im sorry but its not likely to happen here

My point was I wanted to build something spectacular. I didn't expect to find so much negativity towards the cards or my comments.
I want to build a multi card setup if that is possible, to get the absolute most of the cards and my build. It seems it is possible, so I am not sure why you think that its not? 3 way SLI while not supported per se, is possible for enthusiasts and it just requires an additional step to request the unlock.

I am looking to be challenged and if you read the answers to my posts where others have actually helped me by giving analytical assessments and advice; I have taken it.

I'm here because there are many people who have a great deal more experience than I regarding GPU technology, OC'ing and water cooling; I will heed their advice and am very grateful for it. What I am unlikely to listen to is people moaning about the price, or just blatantly throwing elaborated hearsay against the wall, in order to carry a negative vibe through the thread - which has clearly happened throughout this thread.

More money than sense? In this case? Possibly. That's the whole reason I am asking for informed opinions.

Cheers

NirK · 21 May 2016 at 14:08

Anyone else feel like Nvidia has ruined this card with the MSRP?

Everything was looking good, performance is decent, cooler is ok same as any other reference card.

Then they come out with a reference card at 620 GBP.

I would say the success of this card depends entirely if some decent custom cards come out near the $599 MSRP.

Kaapstad · 21 May 2016 at 14:11

Rasphelt said:
Question....

I am going to buy three FE 1080's for the following reasons:

1) I'm putting together a high end build and want the best cards i can get, so price is a moot point (see below)
2) I am putting all the cards underwater - so cooling/throttling shouldn't be an issue
3) I Am only really waiting for the CPU 6950X and the 1080's and I will have (mostly) all my components, so I don't think I really want to wait for the partner cards to come out.

I will be upgrading these cards when(if?) big pascal comes out, because the expenditure already in the build makes sense for me want to keep it at top spec; so i am fine with the loss on resale/purchase - so waiting 3 months for a decent partner card is pointless when I will upgrade 6 months or so after that, I may as well have been paying with the FE card from the beginning, no?

Am I totally foolish and do I have time to wait for the partner cards - will the 6950X be released at the end of May/early June? Do we have any real indication (based on fact) when the partner cards will be released?

Thoughts please fellas.

Cheers
Ben

Not a good idea.

Wait for non reference 1080s.

Something that has not been mentioned is with 3 cards you are likely to want to use max settings at very high resolution. When you do this the power draw goes up beyond what you see in the reviews and also the heat produced, this is something the FE will struggle on.

Rasphelt · 21 May 2016 at 14:11

HACO said:
You can't do three-way SLI on 1080. Only two.

Actually you can do 3 way SLI with an unlock from nVidia. Or so Jayz2C leads me to believe...

easyrider · 21 May 2016 at 14:12

Rasphelt said:
My point was I wanted to build something spectacular. I didn't expect to find so much negativity towards the cards or my comments.
I want to build a multi card setup if that is possible, to get the absolute most of the cards and my build. It seems it is possible, so I am not sure why you think that its not? 3 way SLI while not supported per se, is possible for enthusiasts and it just requires an additional step to request the unlock.

I am looking to be challenged and if you read the answers to my posts where others have actually helped me by giving analytical assessments and advice; I have taken it.

I'm here because there are many people who have a great deal more experience than I regarding GPU technology, OC'ing and water cooling; I will heed their advice and am very grateful for it. What I am unlikely to listen to is people moaning about the price, or just blatantly throwing elaborated hearsay against the wall, in order to carry a negative vibe through the thread - which has clearly happened throughout this thread.

More money than sense? In this case? Possibly. That's the whole reason I am asking for informed opinions.

Cheers

monitor?

Rasphelt · 21 May 2016 at 14:14

melmac said:
Hope you don't think this is rude, but

Don't buy 3 cards. The performance gains will be minimal and Nvidia seems to be concentrating on getting the best possible performance out of 2 cards.

Don't buy the FE edition, especially if you are going to be replacing the cooler and watercooling your new cards. It's a complete waste of money.

I will buy three to see what gains I can get out of them; i can always resell if there is literally no point in it! It is possible and I want to test it!

I think you, and the other peeps on here who have been kind enough to educate me, are right about the FE; the 8+6 pin power debacle seems to have been confirmed(?) and therefore the gains over the FE from the partner cards will be much larger.

I will see what happens on the 27th!

Thanks mate

queamin · 21 May 2016 at 14:15

It wouldn't be so bad if they put another 6 pin on it then like people have said they could water cool it and up the power.

N19h7m4r3 · 21 May 2016 at 14:20

Rasphelt said:
Actually you can do 3 way SLI with an unlock from nVidia. Or so Jayz2C leads me to believe...

And then it still only supports 2 way unless the game/application developer specifically coded in multi GPU support.

So you won't suddenly get 3-4way support in any current games since NVIDIA are no longer releasing drivers or profiles for them.
NVIDIA don't even recommend more than 2 any more with Pascal onwards.

Rasphelt · 21 May 2016 at 14:20

Kaapstad said:
Not a good idea.

Wait for non reference 1080s.

Something that has not been mentioned is with 3 cards you are likely to want to use max settings at very high resolution. When you do this the power draw goes up beyond what you see in the reviews and also the heat produced, this is something the FE will struggle on.

Thanks Kaap, this is exactly what I plan to do. Here's hoping the partner cards actually do have 8+6...

Cheers

rare · 21 May 2016 at 14:22

Three cards is probably more trouble than it's actually worth.

Rasphelt · 21 May 2016 at 14:23

easyrider said:
monitor?

Bought an Asus PG348Q today (WHOOP!) and will also run my Philips BDM4065UC as the secondary.

Cheers

bru · 21 May 2016 at 14:27

People hating on NVidia for these high prices, I really don't quite understand. I can only assume it is because they do not realise just how the retail and distribution of these type of products work, or they just want to moan at NVidia for the sake of it.

NVidia have shown a MSRP of $699 for the Founders edition card, now being that MSRP stands for manufacturer's suggested retail price, surely they must sell to the distribution partners for slightly less than that, which those partners to add their x% then off to the overseas distributors, that's another x% then the retailers that's another x% somewhere in there, there is import tax, VAT, exchange rate, so on and so forth.

It's not OCUK's fault as they want to add their x% of course else they would go bust, but it certainly isn't NVidia fault either. Blame NVidia for setting too high a MSRP by all means, but it certainly isn't their fault that the end resulting pre order prices are rather steep.

chaparral · 21 May 2016 at 14:33

bru said:
People hating on NVidia for these high prices, I really don't quite understand. I can only assume it is because they do not realise just how the retail and distribution of these type of products work, or they just want to moan at NVidia for the sake of it.

NVidia have shown a MSRP of $699 for the Founders edition card, now being that MSRP stands for manufacturer's suggested retail price, surely they must sell to the distribution partners for slightly less than that, which those partners to add their x% then off to the overseas distributors, that's another x% then the retailers that's another x% somewhere in there, there is import tax, VAT, exchange rate, so on and so forth.

It's not OCUK's fault as they want to add their x% of course else they would go bust, but it certainly isn't NVidia fault either. Blame NVidia for setting too high a MSRP by all means, but it certainly isn't their fault that the end resulting pre order prices are rather steep.

One the biggest problems is the bad exchange rate now days..

The $2 = about £1 exchange rate needs to come back

Drojman · 21 May 2016 at 14:34

chaparral said:
One the biggest problems is the bad exchange rate

Bring back the 2$ = about £1

Those were the days...I went to the US and picked up an iPod Touch when they were the new fangled thing for ridiculously cheap.

Kaapstad · 21 May 2016 at 14:34

bru said:
People hating on NVidia for these high prices, I really don't quite understand. I can only assume it is because they do not realise just how the retail and distribution of these type of products work, or they just want to moan at NVidia for the sake of it.

NVidia have shown a MSRP of $699 for the Founders edition card, now being that MSRP stands for manufacturer's suggested retail price, surely they must sell to the distribution partners for slightly less than that, which those partners to add their x% then off to the overseas distributors, that's another x% then the retailers that's another x% somewhere in there, there is import tax, VAT, exchange rate, so on and so forth.

It's not OCUK's fault as they want to add their x% of course else they would go bust, but it certainly isn't NVidia fault either. Blame NVidia for setting too high a MSRP by all means, but it certainly isn't their fault that the end resulting pre order prices are rather steep.

Ultimately it is the people who buy the cards that set the MSRP.

If they don't buy the cards the MSRP will go down.

If they do buy the cards and the demand is high the MSRP will go up.

Supply and demand, a force more powerful than nuclear fusion. :eek: