The first rule of preservation
Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)
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The first rule of preservation
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I have no idea, are you seriously arguing that everything on the government website about duty within the EU is false on the basis that you apparently once got a card through!?
It's a 10 YEAR trend line! The referendum date was only announced in February!
Look at near-term performance for a better handle on the Brexit angle. There is no point trending the Euro:Sterling performance since 2006, a period of time where it was inconceivable we'd ever think about leaving?
No, I assert leaving will have a negative effect on the value of the pound. That is, it will continue it's downward trend. It won't 'crash' the pound because as a semi-strong market the current price reflects all available information - which includes the chance of a Brexit. ie, it's already depreciated in anticipation, therefore it won't suddenly halve if it happens.
Markets hate uncertainity but if the choice was either 'status quo or something better for sterling' then you'd not be seeing this level of depreciation as neither outcome would be sterling negative. In this case, one of the outcomes *is* sterling negative hence the uncertainty.
I'm trying to have a sensible and interesting debate with somebody with an opposing view and all you seem to want to do is say 'Project fear!' and 'crash the pound!' and other emotive stuff.
If you believe something, explain it! If you genuinely think that we pay duty on goods purchased within the EU, demonstrate why this is the case, don't expect us to take your word for it when all the relevant legislation proves otherwise.
We're here in this thread because we enjoy discussing issues and because it's interesting, surely? Otherwise why are we bothering given that nothing we say here has any effect on the outcome.
Why can't we do this respectfully?
LOL you make me laugh everyday.
Voting out on the basis that it will reduce immigration is pretty stupid, that is my point.
I wonder why you've cherry picked Ireland? Why not Belgium, Sweden, Portugal or Finland?
Iceland's three largest banks collapsed and there was no government bail-outs. The government didn't have the money to bail them out and now the banks are gone. Could you imagine HSBC, Lloyds and Barclays disappearing? The effect it would have on the UK?
The Icelandic government has done a lot of sensible things and they seem to have a government that's genuinely accountable to to the people. They've also got lucky with cheap oil prices and unpredicted upticks in their tourism and fishing industries. Let's not pretend that things have been rosey there though.
Not being a member of the EU will allow us to control our own border and limit immigration to ZERO if we choose.
WE will be a sovereign country again, able to determine who we let in and when.
If people keep trying to come across the channel in boats - sink the boats. They will get the message eventually.
Other than that, just implement a points system and only allow in those who benefit the country (skilled or very wealthy). There should be full health testing on all potential immigrants as well. We don't want to let in people with existing health conditions who will then be a drain on the NHS.
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So why do they constantly spout out rubbish/lies.
for example WW3, £4300 worse off, invaded by martians interest rate rises, inflation, Pensions falling even though they are protected with a triple lock.
I could go on...
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[TW]Fox;29592554 said:
It's the context I have an issue with. Of course the financial markets dislike and react to uncertainty, but any dip will be temporary because the underlying UK fundamentals are strong regardless of EU status.
So yes the currency will devalue, as will the Euro, but certainly the duration of that will IMHO be minimal. The impact on the Euro is likely to be longer lasting as there will then be uncertainty about other countries leaving.
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Voting out based upon that single issue would be stupid. So we're in agreement there then?
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That's right... Ten year. Its growing. Blips happen maybe a thousand times a day we don't run a teen based on 10monutes of fluctuation.
I asset that when Greece go down again we will see the Euro contract. Unless they print money.
I am... I am sorry. But fact is fact and as facts present opinions must follow in their wake.
Well the duty remark was years ago on a Diesel Tshirt with wooden buttons. I'm not saying everyone had this. Maybe I should sue the Italians for the charge?
I don't think any of us disagree that there is rubbish coming from both campaigns.
Immigration and population control is one of the biggest issues this country faces. We can't control immigration if we are not Sovereign.
If we don't control the borders, half of Africa/Europe will be trying to live here within 20 years.
Voting to LEAVE the EU is the only way to guarantee Sovereignty.
If we don't control the borders, half of Africa/Europe will be trying to live here within 20 years.
Voting to LEAVE the EU is the only way to guarantee Sovereignty.
What has being in the EU got to do with migration from Africa!
Couldn't agree more. Do most people have short term memories?
Weren't long ago when we were deciding to adopt the Euro all the same arguments came up. If we didn't foreign investment would stop, trade will suffer, banks will leave our shores, pound will crash...
All that happened is the pound dropped a bit, and it was actually the only thing that stopped us being like Ireland/Greece...
Yep, it's simples because it has to resonate with simpletons
The fact it's not reflective of reality will be lost on them
This is simply false. Before Black Wednesday the Pound was typically worth somewhere around $1.75, after Black Wednesday it dropped to around $1.50 and it wasn't until 2004 that the average GDP:USD rate recovered to similar levels.
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One thing I did find sneaky from the remain camp is how much 'worse off' we would be if we left.
This prediction was based against just another prediction... but spun like it was comparing it to fact and today standards.
So basically the remains prediction of if we left was everything bad happening, then compared against a remain prediction where everything good happened...
What can you believe?
I'm not sure how anyone could argue that the strength of the pound won't drop in the short term if we vote to leave.
Mid term and long term are up in air. I don't think it will substantially make our economy worse or better either way (from a economic ranking perspective).
Mid term and long term are up in air. I don't think it will substantially make our economy worse or better either way (from a economic ranking perspective).
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Illegal immigrants go to mainland Europe, they claim asylum, they (most)get it, then after 4 years become Europeans so can come to UK and take our houses and turn vast areas into ghettos (look at Paris for that)
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